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bjames
03-02-2010, 02:28 PM
Has anyone here upgraded their trailer rims? I kind of like the look of the optional Supra rims. I think they are 15 or 16 inch? The upgrade is purly on looks... I was also thinking of getting the stainless fenders. I convinced myself, instead of buying a new boat this year, I would find ways to dress mine up a bit - for a change:D

Anyone have photos showing off their Blinged out Trailer?

maxpower220
03-02-2010, 04:28 PM
I changed out my stock chrome rims for some aluminum 5 star rims. I sometimes operate in brackish water and knew that the chrome ones would rust quickly.
I purchased mine from a local trailer shop. Used the stock tires on the new wheels, which was cheaper and sold the 2 chrome wheels. They were about $80 each installed.

bjames
03-02-2010, 07:14 PM
Those look very similar to the aluminum rims I already have. Sounds like a great price too. I am thinking of heading over to a tire place down the street that carry all sorts of rims to see what they have. I am hoping that trailer rims are cheaper than car rims.

you da man
03-02-2010, 07:25 PM
The bling trailer wheels will actually be car/truck wheels that have the backspacing and offset to work with the trailer and fender. The trailer fenders can be an issue as well.

newty
03-02-2010, 08:48 PM
Check out my profile. Lots of picks there. I love my wheels they have lots to pick from and they are already the right backspacing, diameter, and lug pattern. The best part is I didn't have to buy new tires.
Fman also bought a set for his supra. I'm sure he will chime I too. I think I paid $450 shipped for four with center caps and Chrome valve stems.
As far as the fenders, most trailer shops will have them I stock. Check shadowtrailers.com they have all kinds of trailer accessories. They are the same people as trailer-wheels.com they are very helpful and will answer any questions you have.
Hope this helps.

dru1974
03-02-2010, 09:30 PM
Newty, I looked at your pics and noticed your swim platform. Is it from a Supra?

newty
03-02-2010, 10:05 PM
No I bought the supra grab rail from my dealer and installed it on my deck.
BTW they are the same as the supra so they fit.

Suprahunter
03-04-2010, 10:46 AM
Boatmate 18x10 full led with runway lights. Contact Owen at Boatmate trailers
He can help you with any upgrades you want.
oshelton@boatmatetrailers.com

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sailing217
03-04-2010, 02:31 PM
I upgraded from 14" to 18" wheels. FYI, the wheels would not fit the fenders so I had to get new wider fenders from boatmate.

Offset is the key if trying to find truck wheels that fit. To save headaches and making a bad purchase, I would go with something offered for Supra's and new fenders. Might not be the cheapest tho.

bjames
03-04-2010, 07:17 PM
Just got back from a few tire places here in town. When I asked for 18" trailering tires, they looked at me as if I had horns growing out of my head. The only tires they could find were 255 45 R18 heavy load rating high performance. However they cautioned me that premature tire failiure is possible as the tires were not designed for the side to side stress common with tandem axle trailers. What is everyone using? Have anyone heard of tire failiure using 18" wheels?

Might be best to get these through boatmate or alike.

Razzman
03-04-2010, 07:51 PM
Unfortunately they are right, load rate C, D in an 18" tire don't exist and if they did they'd proabably be an "LT" or light truck tire. What all of these people are doing is using high performance tires on the trailers. They have the weight capacity to safely carry the load but do not have the heavy duty sidewalls. 18" trailer wheels don't exist either, they are just 18" car wheels put on trailers. Having been in the tire biz for 15 years of my youth and knowing what i know about tires & wheels, you won't see me doing it on my trailer that's for sure.

stretch55
03-04-2010, 08:20 PM
I am looking at 17" rims. What off set do you need to use so you don't have to add the bigger fenders?

Razzman
03-04-2010, 09:13 PM
I have no clue on the offset, alot will depend on the tire as well.

Suprahunter
03-04-2010, 09:44 PM
Contact Owen at boatmate I think you will be very surprised at the deal he can make you,

newty
03-04-2010, 10:48 PM
They need to be a zero off-set. I agree with Razz I was strongly cautioned against larger wheels and tires by more than on tire/wheel shop because of load rating issues.
I mulled over finding 17-18" wheels for a long time and was really worried about the look when I ordered my 14"s but I'm really happy with the look. The other thing to consider is curb rash. With the 14"s there is a lot more rubber and you are less likely to damage the rims. No matter how you drive, at some point you will end up in a pickle and scrape the ish them.
I have yet to find someone with 17's or bigger on a trailer w/o curb rash.
Again you don't have to buy tires either.
Straight Sexy if you ask me!

http://www.moomba.com/msgboard/picture.php?albumid=182&pictureid=1410
http://www.moomba.com/msgboard/picture.php?albumid=182&pictureid=1409
http://www.moomba.com/msgboard/picture.php?albumid=226&pictureid=1767
http://www.moomba.com/msgboard/picture.php?albumid=182&pictureid=1407

Razzman
03-04-2010, 11:56 PM
That's the way Newty and your right, you WILL hit something sooner or later. The thing about that is the load range D tires have real beefy sidewalls that will endure those hits. The designer tires don't and won't.

The other thing that bothers me is that very few wheels are actually forged, most are cast. Cast wheels will break under undue pressure and can actually bust the outer bead right off the wheel. Some cast wheels can also be porous and leak as well and can be a real biatch to balance some times.

I'm not saying don't do it, it's everybodies choice but be prepared is all.

moombadaze
03-05-2010, 09:30 AM
Newty, what do you have for center caps?--hard to tell in the photos

newty
03-05-2010, 09:38 AM
They are a standard wheel cap but they are open enough to let the hub stick through.

mmandley
03-05-2010, 10:25 AM
I will say Newty has a bad ass set up. He really does. Every-time i see his boat in person i see something else hes done and say dam man. Thats Cool.

Someday my boat will be as bad ass as his but until then i have something to work towards LOL.

Straight Sexy Newty

moombadaze
03-05-2010, 11:38 AM
mmandley, I agree with ya-Newty's boat is just plain boat porn! I allways feel a little guilty after looking at it:D

bjames
03-05-2010, 05:54 PM
just got word back from Trailermate and in order to put the Supra Optional 18" wheels and fenders on, major modifications would have to be done, he advised that the costs could be as much as 1/2 the cost of the trailer.

So I decided that I am better to find cool 14" chrome whels or see if I could go with 15". Another call has been placed to confirm how large I can go and to maiek sure the Stailess fenders will fit. I had to give them the s/n of my trailer.

Newty... love your set up.. Its amazing the difference new wheels make, even though their 14", they appear to look much larger. Besides, I am thinking it would be much cheaper to get new 14" shiney wheels and use the existing tires.

newty
03-06-2010, 01:25 AM
:DBoat porn:D
Even if your not actually with my boat your with her in your mind and thats still cheating!
How do you thing my sexy b!#@h would feel If I looked at your boats with those kind of intentions?!?
Come on they'er all fiberglass on the inside. Remeber that fellas.;)

You guys crack me up thanks for the complements!

Perverts!

mmandley
03-06-2010, 01:28 AM
Ahhh Yesssss

Moomba Ba-Donk-A-Donk

kaneboats
03-06-2010, 02:01 AM
All right. Was I supposed to look at the boat or the dog there?

newty
03-06-2010, 02:12 AM
Your decision!:p

moombadaze
03-06-2010, 09:48 AM
nothing better than a nice stern:D

kaneboats
03-06-2010, 10:06 AM
That is for dang sure.

newty
03-06-2010, 11:59 PM
Nice stearn! LOL thats funny:p

DOCDRS
03-07-2010, 12:06 AM
you can be ASSured that sometimes somethings are better not said and just looked at

Fman
03-07-2010, 08:01 PM
I purchased these for my Supra, I believe it was around $450 shipped to my hose then I had to pay to have the mounted and balanced. They are not as nice as the 18" gravity games wheels/fenders, but a nice little upgrade to the stock 14" steel wheels. I also sold my old wheels for $100 on craigslist.

These wheels are the "Dark Force", here is the store I purchased them from:

http://www.trailer-wheels.com/

bjames
03-08-2010, 01:49 PM
Ok... now i am confused:confused: Just got off the phone with my local Moomba dealer and they said they talked with the parts guy from Boat Mate and he was told that there is NOTHING that can be upgraded without "major" modifications. They have my trailer s/n, so they know exactly what I have.

I thought for sure that I could easily swap out the fenders to stainless. and put on the optional 14" or 15" chrome "spinner type" wheels on. What gives? Do they just not want my business?

sailing217
03-08-2010, 02:26 PM
I have a double axle boatmate and yes I needed the wider fenders, but they just bolt-on. Call boatmate directly.

Fman
03-08-2010, 03:05 PM
Ok... now i am confused:confused: Just got off the phone with my local Moomba dealer and they said they talked with the parts guy from Boat Mate and he was told that there is NOTHING that can be upgraded without "major" modifications. They have my trailer s/n, so they know exactly what I have.

I thought for sure that I could easily swap out the fenders to stainless. and put on the optional 14" or 15" chrome "spinner type" wheels on. What gives? Do they just not want my business?

My wheels I put on required "NO" modifications at all, it was a simple bolt-on installation. Not sure if the Moomba trailers are different from Supra. I think the only difference would be that Supra has 4 wheel disc brakes, but I dont think this would cause any problems with wheel size.

Razzman
03-08-2010, 06:25 PM
If your staying within the parameters (14" wheel to 14" wheel) then it's no problem. The problems arise when you attempt to put larger wheels on and don't keep the tire height within the specs so you don't have interence.

Example, your boat tires should be 215/75R14 goodyear marathons, place a 15" wheel on there and you have to put a smaller or larger size to maintain the same height so you don't hit the fender since Goodyear only makes 205/75R15 & 225/75R15. To get it right you need to go with 18" tires & wheels and a 60 series tires to maintain height but now the tire and wheel is wider and in some cases a wider fender is needed so you don't hit the tire in this case.

Btw, you won't gain anything at all by going with 15" wheels, they're all but indistinguisable from 14". You can go with 14" custom wheels, just swap your wheels for something you like. You only need to make sure the offset matches what you have so you don't hit the inside of the frame, suspension or fender.

mmandley
03-08-2010, 09:17 PM
Im planning on doing the new fenders next year, i was told by AWS it requires major changes to do this. Now my major changes and there major changes may be different. When i tell them all the things ive done to my boat they says wow thats some major chit. I think its all little chit.

Take the wheels off. Look around if you can unbolt the fender then its as simple as that as long as the length between the front step and rear steps are the same.

I dont see where disk brakes matter if you go with a larger wheel, on when you go smaller.

My LSV has 4 wheel Disks breaks.

Razzman
03-08-2010, 10:35 PM
Im planning on doing the new fenders next year, i was told by AWS it requires major changes to do this. Now my major changes and there major changes may be different. When i tell them all the things ive done to my boat they says wow thats some major chit. I think its all little chit.

Take the wheels off. Look around if you can unbolt the fender then its as simple as that as long as the length between the front step and rear steps are the same.

I dont see where disk brakes matter if you go with a larger wheel, on when you go smaller.

My LSV has 4 wheel Disks breaks.

I do believe for the most part double axle trailers all use one of three lengths 66", 72" & 102" in 7.5", 9" or 10" widths, it's an industry standard.

Brakes won't matter because you couldn't go smaller if you wanted to.

Mike you have four wheel disc because it's an Oregon law, brakes on all axles.

mmandley
03-08-2010, 11:12 PM
WOW didnt know it was OR law. So your saying all the Moomba double axle trailers dont have disk brakes?

Razzman
03-08-2010, 11:57 PM
Exactly, in Cali they come on the leading axle only. In many states, trailers with a GVWR of 1,500 pounds or more are required to have brakes on all wheels. Wish they did have 'em though. Although it would be simple enough to add them on as the flanges are already there.

moombadaze
03-09-2010, 10:22 AM
Think the 4 wheel disk became standard in 08, mine has them.

jclay5
03-09-2010, 12:09 PM
http://www.trailer-wheels.com/14-inch-Transformer-5-Spoke-Aluminum-Trailer-Wheel_p_631.html

If I bought these wheels would I have to modify my trailer? They are 14 in so I am hoping that I can just throw them on.

I am looking at the transformers or the dark force... I'm trying to decide but the price is right on both sets.

mmandley
03-09-2010, 12:13 PM
Those are both sweet looking wheels. The Transformer looks like Newty's wheels. Might send him a PM and ask him.

Razzman
03-09-2010, 01:18 PM
They are the same size as your stock wheels, notice they have a zero offset which means they'll sit equally on both sides of the hub centerline. You'll be fine.

newty
03-09-2010, 01:46 PM
Those are the exact wheels I put on mine. No fitment issues. They worked fine.
You will have to buy tuner lugnuts because your factory ones won't fit.

bjames
03-11-2010, 05:40 PM
So I have been looking at 14" wheels and found one style that I like. However with that said, If I can increase the size to 15" (225 75R15) I have a few more choices. So my question would I be able to go up one size without any problems - say with the fender? The diameter is 1/2" larger and approx 1" wider. I am hoping there is plenty of room for this on my stock 2009 LSV T/A trailer.:confused:

Razzman
03-11-2010, 07:28 PM
So I have been looking at 14" wheels and found one style that I like. However with that said, If I can increase the size to 15" (225 75R15) I have a few more choices. So my question would I be able to go up one size without any problems - say with the fender? The diameter is 1/2" larger and approx 1" wider. I am hoping there is plenty of room for this on my stock 2009 LSV T/A trailer.:confused:

No guarentees and unless somebody here has done it then nobody will have a definate answer. I would suggest you find a tire store, auto wreckers, etc. that might have a tire/wheel combo laying around and try it. The 5 lug wheel is the same as the old ford auto pattern so there are tons of them out there. The problem is that it might be that 1/2" is all it needs to hit on full compression but you won't know until you try. Or maybe take it to a trailer shop and see what they say.

badasshybrid
03-11-2010, 10:30 PM
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If it is only 1/2" taller that is only 1/4" differance on each side, shouldnt have any problems there. If any problems it would be the width. If you want to run a 15" rim why not just run the same size tire you have now in a 15?

badasshybrid
03-11-2010, 10:35 PM
A 205/75R15 is about 1" shorter that the 225.

bjames
03-12-2010, 12:20 PM
205 75R14 = 25.1" OD
225 75R15 = 26.1" OD

This is from memory, but I do recall from the tire chart that going up to the 15" is exactly 1" larger in OD (1/2" on either side). The tread width is 20mm (just under an inch wider. So perhaps a proper offset will prevent the tire from getting close to the inside of the tapered fender. I confirmed whats on my trailer right now.. this may be usefull to others who are wondering what trailer tire comes standard with an 2009 LSV with aluminum rims.

Trailer America
ST Radial
ST205 75 R14
Load Range C
Max Laod 1760lbs @ 50 psi
Side Wall 2 ply polyester plies
5 hole rim @ 4.5" spacing
0 offset

badasshybrid
03-14-2010, 08:58 AM
From Goodyear Marathon:

Tire Size Sidewall Rim Width O.D. Section Width Max. Load

ST205/75R14 BSL 5.0- 6.5 26.1 7.9 1,760
ST205/75R15 BSL 5.0- 6.5 27.1 7.9 1,820
ST225/75R15 BSL 6.0- 7.0 28.3 8.7 2,150



What I was saying is if you are running a 205 75 14 and wanted to run a 15" rim just step up to a 205 75 15. It would be the same tire just 1" taller. If you have enough clearance to run 1" taller you would be fine. Get the same size rim you have now with the same offset only in a 15" series. And run the 205 75 15.

If you go to a 225 75 15 the tire will be taller and wider. Unless you want to run a 225 75 15 then find a tire shop that will tell you for sure if it would fit.

If you wanted to run 18" rims a 225 45 18 would be the same as the 205 75 14 only it would be 1" wider.

newty
03-14-2010, 09:55 AM
The problem with most 17" and 18" rims is, you can't get them in 6" or 6.5" widths, or in the correct off set. so now your stretching out the shoulder of the tire. So even though in theory it should be the same overall size the wider rim make the tire too wide to fit up under the fender.
my .02

bjames
03-18-2010, 01:47 PM
Looking closely at the 17" offering from Trailer Wheels, I figured out that if I install the 17" Ninja rims along with the recommended 225 55R17 ST tire, that the tire wil only be 5/8" wider on each side and 1/2" taller on each side. Looking at the clearance under the tapered fenders, it seems like it might fit.

http://www.trailer-wheels.com/17-inch-Polished-Aluminum-Ninja-Star-Trailer-Wheel-_p_720.html

I checked the clearence on the Supra with 18" wheels, the space between the inside tire wall and fender skirt is pretty tight, I cant even get my fingers behind, however on my boat it seems that I have at least twice the space.

The only question I have is that based on the info on the website, the rim is 8.5" wide, but the 225 wide tire fits rim sizes 6 - 8". According to other tire size calculators, a 8.5" rim width needs a min. 235 wide tire. Not sure if there is a typo somewhere or they are mating the wrong tire with this rim .?.:confused:

newty
03-18-2010, 01:51 PM
Like I said be careful with wheel width. That wheel is 2.5" wider than the 14's and 15's.

bjames
03-18-2010, 07:11 PM
Thats correct, but the 225 tire width is only 3/8" wider on each side weather it sits on a 6" or 8" wide rim or wether its a 14 or 17" wheel. It just means that there is less bulge on the lower profile 225 tire.

I am still not sure what I will go with, I might just get the Chrome Twisted 14" rim to be a direct replacement to what I have.

Anyone got photos of 14" Chrome twisted star wheels?

ausbill32
03-19-2010, 01:12 PM
I just want some straight black 14 inch wheels. Anyone know any place to buy them? I've been looking but unsuccessful.

Razzman
03-19-2010, 02:05 PM
I've seen black steel wheels but nothing in a 14" 14x6 or 7" aluminum wheel. You can always have anything powdercoated as that's all the mfgrs do.

stretch55
03-24-2010, 01:07 AM
I like the 17" Ninja star rims and tires also. But lets break this down. Theese numbers are me just spit balling.

Ninja Star rims $140 each x 5 (you want a spare right?) $700
Tires for the Ninja start $130 each x 5 (spare tire) $650
New fenders (bare steel+paint) $100 each plus we'll say $200 to paint $400
OR stainless steel fenders $250 each $500

Grand Total $1,750-$1,800.00

So let's all ponder on this for a moment. Do we want to drop almost $2,000.00on the boat trailer? Or $2,000.00 on the boat? Like lets say $2,000.00 toward a wrap, or stereo, or ballast or all kinds of numerous upgrades.

Don't get me wrong I love the look of the 17" and 18" rims. And I also ponder getting them. i am just putting the cost into prospective.

Razzman
03-24-2010, 11:26 AM
Or just put it in perspective ... it's just a trailer. :cool:

bjames
03-24-2010, 07:05 PM
Well each of you are entitled to you opinions on what you would spend a certain amount of money on, lets face it, there are many other people that think were are all crazy to spend what we spent on our boats in the first place:p Also, when upgrading, I tend to look at the whole package not just the boat, but thats just me:D

Anyways, after lots of reasearch on this matter, I decided to stay with the same wheel size and get the "Twisted Star" chrome wheels that used to be offered on the Supra Gravity Games a few years ago. The total cost ended up being hundreds of dollars instead of thousands if I would have went with 16" or larger. Also I thought that there were too many potential risks involved by going with out of spec rims/tires. So I thought I would keep it simple.:) My Stainless fenders should be arriving anyday:-D Cant wait to get those installed.

Razzman
03-24-2010, 11:00 PM
My Stainless fenders should be arriving anyday

You don't have SS fenders now? What are your?

bjames
03-25-2010, 12:02 PM
No the fenders I have now are the painted ones. I have always liked the look of the SS fenders. So I provided Boatmate with my trailer VIN to ensure I am getting the proper fitting SS fenders.

stretch55
03-25-2010, 12:06 PM
What did the Stainless steel frnders run you?

bjames
03-25-2010, 12:07 PM
Should look great! Hurry up already and post pics!:D

For sure.... Once all the work is done, I will definatly post photos.

New Fenders
New Chrome rims
Runway lights
Slim-Line back up lights
New Trailering Cover
New Tital swivel board racks
New Rosswell wide angle mirror (bought at boat show)
A good cleaning job:D

bjames
03-25-2010, 12:11 PM
What did the Stainless steel frnders run you?

They were just over $200 each for the stainless. Check out boatmates website. they have all the parts available for order on-line. They ship out the next day.

http://www.boatmatetrailers.com/