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JesseC
03-23-2010, 12:05 AM
I am about 95% complete with my ballast upgrade. The upgrade included building a new manifold, 1" Irritrol

straight flow valves, Rule 3800 GPH pump, relays to re-locate the power from the dash to the starter feed, a new

ballast switch to fill and empty, Tsunami 800 GPH to empty and a ton of wire. I wanted to add an auxilary port to

fill the extra bag that we can use for extra ballast or for surfing. I got tired of the cigarette lighter and

wires being strung across the boat. This took me about 3 months to complete due to the limited space in my 2002

LSV.


Here is the old a new scupper followed my new manifold.
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q21/StarkRaven/1aNewScupper.jpg
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q21/StarkRaven/2aNewValves2.jpg
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q21/StarkRaven/3aNewvalves.jpg

JesseC
03-23-2010, 12:06 AM
The small hole I cut with a drill and dremel. The large hole was already there from my GIII system from the

factory. I added the three relay bank to supply power to the fill pump and the new evac pump directly from the

starter instead of being powered through the switches.

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q21/StarkRaven/4aswitches1.jpg
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q21/StarkRaven/4bswitches2.jpg
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q21/StarkRaven/5aRelays.jpg

JesseC
03-23-2010, 12:07 AM
Here is the 3800 installed super tight, the floor is out in this pic due to replacing the steering cable...again.

Also the Auxilary fill ports with and without being connected.

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q21/StarkRaven/6anewpumpinstalled.jpg
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q21/StarkRaven/7aauxilaryport.jpg
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q21/StarkRaven/8ahookedup.jpg

JesseC
03-23-2010, 12:07 AM
Here is the evac pump for the auxilary fill. The second pic is the one way valve T I used to tap into the bilge

line to go through the hull. I am using all four evac ports and just tapped into the bilge with one way valves

since the bilge is not used that often. The third pic is the starboard side bag with its new 1" connection for

quicker fill times.

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q21/StarkRaven/9bevacpump.jpg
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q21/StarkRaven/10aEvacTee.jpg
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q21/StarkRaven/11aStarboardbag.jpg

JesseC
03-23-2010, 12:08 AM
I filled the auxilary bag with air to show about how I will use it. One pic is in the wakeboard use and the other

is in the surf use.

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q21/StarkRaven/12aAuxbag.jpg
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q21/StarkRaven/13aSurfbag.jpg

mmandley
03-23-2010, 12:48 AM
Thats some impressive looking work man. Real nice looking.

byronkoz
03-23-2010, 12:57 AM
Nice job Jesse. The aux fills are a must and I like the location.

moombadaze
03-23-2010, 08:15 AM
Jesse, Awsome work as allways, very creative on using that cup holder for quick connects

JesseC
03-24-2010, 12:38 AM
I figured the cup holder on that side could go, we are all regular footed and no one ever sits on that side anyway. That is our throw all the crap in the boat corner. I can not wait to get it on the water to test all of it.

moombadaze
03-24-2010, 08:31 AM
jesse, just thought of something, its possible your bag on the seat will drain down to the level of the drain hole on the side of the boat, you may need a valve of some kind to block the water off as the tsunami pump will not hold any water back.

Does that make sence?

How did you get the original scupper out of the boat?, I tried on mine and that thing will not budge, yes i did remove the 4 screws and the big nut on the inside.

JesseC
03-24-2010, 02:45 PM
jesse, just thought of something, its possible your bag on the seat will drain down to the level of the drain hole on the side of the boat, you may need a valve of some kind to block the water off as the tsunami pump will not hold any water back.

Does that make sence?

How did you get the original scupper out of the boat?, I tried on mine and that thing will not budge, yes i did remove the 4 screws and the big nut on the inside.

I don't think the Tsunami will give me any trouble, a little water may trickle out on acceleration, but it is 90 degrees straigt up to the thru hull. I was hoping that water would force its way past the pump a little to help prime the pump. My rear bags are almost in the same exact configuration and I have not had issues with them.

The scupper....that thing is a pain in the butt to get off. I removed the four screws, romoved the large nut, drank a beer, tried to push it from the top and it didn't budge, went underneath the boat and tried cutting caulk without cutting the boat, drank a beer tried to push it from up top again still wouldn't budge, drank two beers to think about a new plan of attack, came up with a plan and drank a beer, forgot the plan of attack and started to loose interest in saving the old scupper; probably at this point I should have quit but I didn't want all that beer to have been drunk in vain so at this point I couldn't give a "pile of poo" and I jumped in the boat with a large mallet and a 2X4, 1 HUGE smack and the scupper hit the floor like a bolt of lightning I probably should have done a few test taps instead of an over the head swing at the 2x4 (I am going to blame the beverages for that one) . Oh well at least the scupper was out. Drank a victory beer!!!!

moombadaze
03-24-2010, 03:00 PM
funny as i did just about the same except... did not drink enough beer, only had one, to hit that scupper that hard. Grabbed the drill and just drilled some holes in the backside of the scupper-hope it will relieve enough presure up into the pumps and hoses.

JesseC
03-24-2010, 03:20 PM
funny as i did just about the same except... did not drink enough beer, only had one, to hit that scupper that hard. Grabbed the drill and just drilled some holes in the backside of the scupper-hope it will relieve enough presure up into the pumps and hoses.

Sounds like you have an easy problem to fix if the holes do not work, just drink more beer next time!!! I also took a thin screwdriver and pried carefully all the way around the scupper trying to not scratch the hull. It freed it up enough for the mallet and 2x4.

kaneboats
03-24-2010, 03:24 PM
Hmmmm. I think I'd probably rate expert at scupper removal if I ever need to do it.

JesseC
04-13-2010, 12:41 AM
I was finishing up the install and realized I am one 90 degree fitting short. Anybody got an extra 1 1/8" quick connect they are not using? Are the ones from Flo rite the same as the ones from wakemakers?

brain_rinse
04-13-2010, 12:48 AM
Don't have any extras but yes, they are the same.

JesseC
04-13-2010, 04:49 PM
Thanks, they seem to be alot cheaper there. I may order two just in case one of them goes bad.

JesseC
07-26-2010, 03:31 PM
jesse, just thought of something, its possible your bag on the seat will drain down to the level of the drain hole on the side of the boat, you may need a valve of some kind to block the water off as the tsunami pump will not hold any water back.

Does that make sence?


Darn you daze, you did point out a flaw!!! Finally got around to doing some surfing and yes under way the low port started a syphon. I will be adding a cut off valve about 4-5 inches from the bag to stop that from happening.


On another note, HOLY CRAP batman this setup is fast!!! I need to get actual timings but I can fill my 550 lb bag in under 4 minutes. I flipped the switch and jumped in the water and before I could finish my beer water was SHOOTING out of the overflow port. I looked in the boat and was amazed that the bag just didn't explode I have never seen one stretch that far out!!! I will try and get some actual timings this upcoming weekend of the fill time of all of the bags.

New Guy
07-27-2010, 10:32 AM
Jesse do you have a parts list for the sprinkler valves and where you got them?

Thanks

JesseC
07-27-2010, 11:49 PM
They are just the 1" Irritrol 700 valves. I got them from sprinkler warehouse. Be careful using these valves though. Another member tried using these with a 3/4" scupper and the 2000gph pump and had issues with the valves not opening. I am running a 1" scupper and the 3800gph pump and it operates them just fine. Depending on what pump you go with, you may want to run the 3/4" version of the Irritrol 700s.

http://www.sprinklerwarehouse.com/Irritrol-700-Series-Valves-s/433.htm


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you da man
07-28-2010, 12:54 AM
They are just the 1" Irritrol 700 valves. I got them from sprinkler warehouse. Be careful using these valves though. Another member tried using these with a 3/4" scupper and the 2000gph pump and had issues with the valves not opening. I am running a 1" scupper and the 3800gph pump and it operates them just fine. Depending on what pump you go with, you may want to run the 3/4" version of the Irritrol 700s.

http://www.sprinklerwarehouse.com/Irritrol-700-Series-Valves-s/433.htm


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Agree. The Irritrol 3/4" valves are noticably faster than the stock Orbit valves.

kaneboats
07-28-2010, 11:43 AM
I'm running dual Rule 2000's off the 3/4" inlet. I have the 3/4" Irritrol valve. No problems and my surf bag (750) fills in about 7.5 min.

mnpracing
07-28-2010, 12:15 PM
Is there still a switch on the Irritrol valves so that the bags don't fill while under way unless the helm switch is on?

JesseC
07-28-2010, 03:01 PM
Is there still a switch on the Irritrol valves so that the bags don't fill while under way unless the helm switch is on?

There is no switch on them, there is a lever that slightly loosens the solenoid to allow for manual operation of the valves. I removed the levers on mine because they were always in the way. I have run over 30 MPH and not had a drop get in the bags. These valves are strong enough to keep the water out when not energized.

kaneboats
07-29-2010, 12:01 PM
I only have the one Irritrol valve on my surf bag but it doesn't let any water in.