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Moseley618
10-12-2010, 08:31 PM
I found that I love to surf this summer and I want to upgrade the rear bags in my 04 LSV. So what size and brand is recommended? I have heard good things about the 1100lbs and the 750lbs sacs. I know the 1100 might push the wall between the locker and engine bay but could I prevent this easily? I want a great big pocket so should I get a bow sac also? If I do how do I fill it? Right now I have the Gravity III system. Could I somehow tie it in to the center sac? Thanks

jasonwm
10-13-2010, 04:34 AM
Fly High supplies the ballast bags that were used in your boat to Moomba, and because their fitting system is unique, you'll want to stick with their Pro X Series bags as a replacement.

Either the 750 pound Fat Sac or the 1,100 pound Jumbo V-Drive Surf Sac will work in your LSV. The 1,100 pound bag is a new product for this year, and has quite popular with our customers due to surfing.

Either way, you'll need at a minimum two W736 fittings in order to interface the new bag with the existing connectors in your boat. We also offer a pre-packaged solution available with a number of bag sizes (both the 750 and 1,100 are included) to make the upgrade totally plug and play. It's not necessary, but our Moomba customers really like it.

sailing217
10-13-2010, 11:11 AM
Jason can give exacts, but off the top of my head, the 1100 is 25"x25" (HW) and the 750 is 21"x21" (HW) both same lengths. I might be in inch off somewhere. Anyways I love the extra weight. Just wish it had another fill/drain port.

I do recommend the quick connects while your at it. Much easier to dry out to avoid mold under the sacs on the carpet.

sailing217
10-13-2010, 11:13 AM
I braced my wall with aluminum square tubing from Lowes and some bolts/ 'L' brackets. Very easy and about a bit over an hour project.

jasonwm
10-13-2010, 12:10 PM
The 750 is 50"L x 20"W x 20"H
The 1,100 is 50"L x 24"W x 24"H

Moseley618
10-13-2010, 03:36 PM
Jason, the fittings that are in my current sacs won't work? I looked on your site and did not find a combo kit for the 1100lb sac and the fittings. I would like to get it all at once so it is plug and play. Is it a huge issue with the sac pushing the wall in a little?

jmvotto
10-13-2010, 09:54 PM
the 1100 is going to be to big for the lsv 04 750 fits perfect. Ed may sell you his....

Moseley618
10-13-2010, 10:11 PM
Is that a pic of the 1100 or 750? Thanks for the pic!

jmvotto
10-13-2010, 10:24 PM
750.....:d

Moseley618
10-13-2010, 10:33 PM
Wow that thing fills that compartment up! I think I may stick with the 750's.

jmvotto
10-13-2010, 10:46 PM
Yeah the 06 to 08 obv are the same as the pre-06 lsv for the most part.. its full.

jmvotto
10-14-2010, 09:24 AM
wow. that 750 takes up your entire space.

After seeing that, I'm really surprised when I have mine filled, I still have room to put a couple vests on top of it.

The 1100 is getting more and more interesting. Just gotta find that right price.

Yes indeedy, if I were to get a pair of 1100's (at the right price) I would have a pair of 750's for sale (or trade in). They have the fittings for the new G3 ballast (1" fill, 3/4" vent)

Yep the older OBV has a lowewr freeboard and side wall. "Thats all we can go there captain."

jasonwm
10-14-2010, 08:20 PM
Nice pic of a full sac in the locker!

Ed, shoot me an email, we'll get you sorted out.

cab13367
10-14-2010, 08:51 PM
the 1100 is going to be to big for the lsv 04 750 fits perfect. Ed may sell you his....

jm,

Is that a 20" round x 50" long sac?

Al

jasonwm
10-14-2010, 11:11 PM
It's a Fat Sac (50" x 20" x 20"), it just looks rounded because it's so full.

New Guy
10-15-2010, 10:31 AM
Ed I am very interested in picking up your 750's pm me the info if you decide to upgrade.

jasonwm
10-15-2010, 03:52 PM
While I agree for the most part, here's a blog post on removing Fly High fittings (http://media.wakemakers.com/2010/08/how-to-remove-fittings-cemented-into-fly-high-ballast-bags/) that have been cemented in.

We also offer fitting removal as a service if you don't want to risk it.

New Guy
10-15-2010, 05:59 PM
So the bags are set up for 3/4" quick connects?

I plan on redoing my ballast system. Right not it has the G3 system with the water bed fittings and 3/4" line. I don't think that I am going to replace all the lines just new pumps and possibly a IBS.

jasonwm
10-15-2010, 07:42 PM
I'm not talking glued from the factory here.

I'm talking forever joined.

The fittings kept coming out of the bags and gushing water into my engine compartment.

I used the best PVC glue available at an irrigation supply house - the stuff the contractors use for pipe that is wet or dry.

Never had a leak or a loose fitting again.

I would not sell the bags to anyone who may want to change the 1" fitting, unless they begged, offered me huge bags of money and had a notorized release form.
Haha, I hear you, but we can get those fittings out too. ;)



So the bags are set up for 3/4" quick connects?

I plan on redoing my ballast system. Right not it has the G3 system with the water bed fittings and 3/4" line. I don't think that I am going to replace all the lines just new pumps and possibly a IBS.

New Guy- 2008 and earlier boats use 3/4" fittings for both of the connections to the bag regardless of the systems. 2009 and newer boats all use one 3/4" connection for the vent, and a 1" connection for the fill/drain into the bottom of the boat.

Because the fittings are cemented into the bags you'll want to double check what year boat they came from if you're buying them used, or simply buy new bags with the correct fittings based on what year boat you have.

viking
10-16-2010, 12:20 AM
While I agree for the most part, here's a blog post on removing Fly High fittings (http://media.wakemakers.com/2010/08/how-to-remove-fittings-cemented-into-fly-high-ballast-bags/) that have been cemented in.

We also offer fitting removal as a service if you don't want to risk it.

Great link. Earlier this summer I talked directly with FlyHigh to get directions and they walked me through this exact procedure. Worked like a charm :)

As far as leaky fittings........my new bags I just screwed in the quick disconnects hand tight and not a leak yet. Must be lucky:)

you da man
10-16-2010, 11:55 AM
While I agree for the most part, here's a blog post on removing Fly High fittings (http://media.wakemakers.com/2010/08/how-to-remove-fittings-cemented-into-fly-high-ballast-bags/) that have been cemented in.

We also offer fitting removal as a service if you don't want to risk it.

I plan on sending you one of my 1100 sacs that had this done at the dealer. Now why in the hell would my dealer cement one sac's fittings and not the other is beyond me. Also, I'll request a second fitting be added to the top of the sac. As it is, my 1100's have a fill and vent on top. However, I want to add the 3rd top fitting so when switching surf ballast from side to side I can assist my stock pump by using the Tsunami 1200 draining one sac and connecting the hose to the sac I'm filling...thus killing two birds with one stone and fill/drain times cut more than in half.

jasonwm
10-17-2010, 12:41 PM
Yeah, that's exactly what happens, the positioning of the bag, and the force when it fills is enough to pop the fitting out, so really only the bottom NEEDS to be cemented in.

Unfortunately we can't add a port to a bag that has already been made, because of the way the tooling works there's no way to get access to the inside of the bag once the pieces are put together.

sailing217
10-18-2010, 02:17 PM
Thanks for the heads up Jason. I was bummed when I asked Fly High directly about sending back my enzo sac for more ports and the only explination was 'no, we can't do it'.

Love my jumbo bag

FYI, my enzo sac was a refurbished sac (I think by Evo) where it looked like a big area was cut out and re-seamed. I never had a problem with it and would buy another refurbed sac, at half the cost of course (:

jasonwm
10-18-2010, 03:51 PM
No problem. I wish there was an easy way for us to add ports to bags, it would certainly make a lot of the installs we do here quicker and cheaper for our customers.

We receive blem/refurb/factory 2nd bags from Fly High regularly, and they all end up in the On Sale category of our site, so keep an eye on that if you're looking for a deal. They sell fast though, and we typically only receive one or maybe two of a bag at a time.