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Sea N' Things
03-31-2011, 12:00 PM
Would like some feed back from this statement, it was advice provided by Spencer at Wake Makers. Are the 1100lbs worth it or not?

"I have used both bags in the LSV. You get more weight out of the 1100lb. Jumbo bag but i didn't really notice a huge gain in wake size. I personally prefer the 750lb. fat sac because it fits better and i can still have a couple of vests on top of the bag when it is full. You are not going to make a wrong choice either way."

Thanks,
Spencer Product Specialist
(888) 338-6085 | sales@wakemakers.com | www.wakemakers.com

moombadaze
03-31-2011, 12:15 PM
shipping eta for my 1100 is 4-5, hope to try it out the following weekend

kaneboats
03-31-2011, 01:36 PM
Should be interesting to see the difference.

moombadaze
03-31-2011, 01:40 PM
Plan on doing some wave testing with pictures from no ballast- all the way up to max what I have.

Sea N' Things
03-31-2011, 01:42 PM
WOW, so what do you think....750lb or 1100lb?
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Sea N' Things
03-31-2011, 01:50 PM
I have the order ready to ship with the 750lb's....but that little voice keeps saying what about the 1100lb's. Will i be disappointed or should i get the 1100 first off? I also bave the bow sac comming as well....

Is there an upgrade for the mid ship ballast "ski locker" sac, I believe it's a 400lbs stock??????????????

kaneboats
03-31-2011, 02:03 PM
I'd say that if you have 4-5 friends that will go out with you every time then no need for 1100's but if it's just you and the wife/signif other, then go with them as you will want the weight. The difference is about 2 people worth in exactly the right spot.

sandm
03-31-2011, 02:08 PM
I'd buy the 1100's every time. never know when it'll be just 3-4 of you out on the water and you don't have to fill them up every time.

as ed can attest, the mods to the doors are relatively simple, unless you build the bracketry one member on here did. it looks amazing..

KG's Supra24
03-31-2011, 04:00 PM
If you are even asking then the choice is obvious.

Buy the 1100s. I bought the 750's last year and am now buying the 1100s. The cost difference is minimal.

No reason to leave room for regret. If you want to put life jackets on top of it then fill the 1100 bag with 750 lbs.

Sea N' Things
03-31-2011, 05:58 PM
Thank you guys 1100's it is :)

Is there an upgrade for the mid ship ballast "ski locker" sac, I believe it's a 400lbs stock??????????????

KG's Supra24
03-31-2011, 06:12 PM
Guessing you don't have the playpen?

brain_rinse
03-31-2011, 07:10 PM
Is there an upgrade for the mid ship ballast "ski locker" sac, I believe it's a 400lbs stock??????????????
Not really. The stock one fills the locker until the door pops open. There might be a couple inches up front but it can't amount to more than a few lbs. Bow sac will take care of you.

Sea N' Things
03-31-2011, 07:56 PM
I'll pay the little extra for the 1100 and secure the side engine panels as I can only forsee 3 to 4 ppl at the most per trip.

wolfeman131
03-31-2011, 10:53 PM
shipping eta for my 1100 is 4-5, hope to try it out the following weekend

I'll pay for the overnight charges if you can get them there by this weekend!

Sea N' Things
04-01-2011, 12:49 AM
Can someone grab me the inside rear locker measurements on a mobius LSV 09 or newer??? PLEASE!

moombadaze
04-01-2011, 08:18 AM
I'll pay for the overnight charges if you can get them there by this weekend!


there allready in shipping

bergermaister
04-04-2011, 03:43 PM
Question for the guys running 1100's -

I'm assuming the drain port is positioned at the back of the boat and the bottom obviously. Do you ever have trouble with the 1100 bags being bunched up or wrinkled right around the drain so that it is slow, or even blocked?

I've been filling/draining mine from the top with a handheld but am about to put in a "push button" T1200 fill and T1200 drain system. That tight space back there when the bag is nearly full and 'conforming to the space available' concerns me a little.

kennedy
04-04-2011, 03:57 PM
Where do you purchase 1100 lbs sacks.

What should they cost.

Thanks!!

you da man
04-04-2011, 04:01 PM
Just make sure the drain hose is flush on the floor of the locker when you put the sacs in or start to fill. I understand what you're saying about the sac bunching up. Even in the XLV they will bunch a little and the drain hose can bend upwards or kink causing slow draining

bergermaister
04-04-2011, 04:09 PM
Thanks YDM - that's what I was suspicious of. I guess slow is better than none.

If it ever becomes a problem I suppose I can pull out the handheld Tsunami and drain it from the top. Plan to keep that one onboard for movable sac(s) and as backup.

Sea N' Things
04-05-2011, 01:47 PM
I have the same concern as I finally got a chance to get some measurements. The inside locker measures 20" at stern and 23 1/2" forward, the length is no problem. My question is how does a 50x24x24 fit into a 50"x23 1/2"x20" space without causing stress issues overtime? It seems that the 750lbs sacs 50x20x20 would be the best fit. I also wounder are you getting a full 1100lbs or is it more like 900+lbs? Anyone care to comment?

cmtaylor777
04-05-2011, 02:26 PM
In my opinion.....go 1100. You don't have to fill them up all the way, But you always have the option.

Go with the 750 and you don't have a choice.

you da man
04-05-2011, 02:51 PM
I have the same concern as I finally got a chance to get some measurements. The inside locker measures 20" at stern and 23 1/2" forward, the length is no problem. My question is how does a 50x24x24 fit into a 50"x23 1/2"x20" space without causing stress issues overtime? It seems that the 750lbs sacs 50x20x20 would be the best fit. I also wounder are you getting a full 1100lbs or is it more like 900+lbs? Anyone care to comment?

My 1100 sacs fill up all the way and will spill out the vent line through the thru-hull fitting

bbuhtz
04-05-2011, 04:09 PM
doesn't really matter what the dimensions of the bag are when its that minimal of a difference... the bag regardless is going to fill up and form to whatever compartment its in. to me looks like you should order the 1100 without a doubt imo.

Sea N' Things
04-05-2011, 04:31 PM
Understandable that the sac will forrm to the locker but what is the best way to deal with the hoses from crimping/pinching off from the weight of the sac's? Does anyone have any pics to share of the 1100's both full and empty?

moombadaze
04-05-2011, 05:41 PM
I should have the 1100 bag when I get home, I'll try and snap a photo of both the 750 and 1100 side by side filled with air on the garage floor.

Sea N' Things
04-05-2011, 05:50 PM
Thx a bunch!!

sandm
04-05-2011, 06:00 PM
I should have the 1100 bag when I get home, I'll try and snap a photo of both the 750 and 1100 side by side filled with air on the garage floor.

that should be an interesting pic. will be able to see the difference of the 20x20 and the 24x24. wonder how much of a difference water would make and the stretch factor??

moombadaze
04-05-2011, 08:22 PM
there just filled with air-boy did i get light headed
http://i527.photobucket.com/albums/cc351/moombadaze/CIMG0309.jpg

http://i527.photobucket.com/albums/cc351/moombadaze/CIMG0311.jpg

Sea N' Things
04-05-2011, 08:24 PM
That is awsome thank you so much, what a difference in size between the 400, 750 and 1100! Thanks again!

sandm
04-05-2011, 09:10 PM
thought there would be more difference in the stock to 750's. look very similar.

thanks for the visual aid :)

moombadaze
04-06-2011, 08:27 AM
thought there would be more difference in the stock to 750's. look very similar.

thanks for the visual aid :)


photo doesnt show it to well but the stock bag is about 2-2.5 feet longer than the 750

moombadaze
04-06-2011, 08:55 AM
Now let's see your wave with all three of those bags in the corner :)


you know thats not to bad idea-not all in the corner but..

I can see it now

400 in ski locker
400 in walk way
400 under pasenger seat
1100 in rear
750 on top of passenger seat
3050 lbs water ballast--

naw-it'll never happen, but bet that would be one hell of a wave

New Guy
04-06-2011, 10:28 AM
Wow I am really glad that I did not get the 1100's they would not have even came close to fitting in my lowly outback lsv. The 750's fill it full and then some.

rdlangston13
04-06-2011, 11:03 AM
well if anyone is upgrading from 750 to 1100 and wants to sell the 750s i know a potential buyer :-)

you da man
04-06-2011, 11:20 AM
you know thats not to bad idea-not all in the corner but..

I can see it now

400 in ski locker
400 in walk way
400 under pasenger seat
1100 in rear
750 on top of passenger seat
3050 lbs water ballast--

naw-it'll never happen, but bet that would be one hell of a wave

I do 3,400 in my XLV for the goofy side.

moombadaze
04-06-2011, 11:32 AM
I do 3,400 in my XLV for the goofy side.

that would be fun, wonder how a lsv would handle that kind of weight

dusty2221
04-06-2011, 12:27 PM
that would be fun, wonder how a lsv would handle that kind of weight

Ditto, when I has the 20ssv I ran 750 in the rear, 600 on top of the sundeck, stock 400 belly full, 400 in the very front on the bow seats/floor.

My new 24 will have 1100 rear, 600 on the deck, 1180 center, and that other 400 will go somewhere..depending on how it shapes up!

Your LSV has more freeboard than my 20 did. My rubrail was under while sitting still, so under motion it was about 2 more inches lower. :)

KG's Supra24
04-06-2011, 12:30 PM
Wow, the 1100 looks huge! Cant wait to fill mine with water :rolleyes:

Sea N' Things
04-06-2011, 02:15 PM
If the 1100's were velcroed in place, do ya think this would solve the problem of hoses being pinched?

you da man
04-06-2011, 02:24 PM
If the 1100's were velcroed in place, do ya think this would solve the problem of hoses being pinched?

It's a matter of getting all the folds and wrinkles out of the sac once you place it in the compartment to get the hose to stay in a good position. I take my sacs out everytime I use my boat so the compartment can dry underneath.

sandm
04-06-2011, 05:43 PM
If the 1100's were velcroed in place, do ya think this would solve the problem of hoses being pinched?

I can't imagine that velcro will hold any ballast bag in place, let alone the 1100's :)

I pull mine out each time and sometimes have issues with pinched hoses. have to watch them fill the first time each outing.

rdlangston13
04-08-2011, 02:06 PM
is $225 a good price for 2 used 750s?

dusty2221
04-08-2011, 02:52 PM
You can get 2 new ones from Wakemakers for $270, so its not a amazing deal, but a bag is a bag and any break you can get is worth it

Sea N' Things
04-08-2011, 09:59 PM
WakeMakers are awsome people to deal with I would not hesitate to recommand them to anyone. They have great pricing and service, they know there stuff as well!

btw...I am not getting paid to say this :)

rdlangston13
04-08-2011, 11:35 PM
how long would it take to fill two 750s up with the stock gravity III plumbing?

Sea N' Things
04-09-2011, 12:03 AM
I'm sure Ed would know maybe he will chime in....I think there is a vid on you tube regarding this...hummmm

jmvotto
04-09-2011, 08:28 AM
how long would it take to fill two 750s up with the stock gravity III plumbing?
I will let you know when I get my system in. I plan on adding dual fill pumps to the modified stock system. Adding a 4th valve.

Also lots of timing threads on here for the old system, jessec did some extensive fill times on old plus new. You can just do a recalculation for the 750 bags..

Sea N' Things
04-09-2011, 11:04 AM
Thank you Ed for your opinion on the 1100 instead of the 750's. So you are not seeing a hugh difference by going to the 1100's?

sandm
04-09-2011, 11:27 AM
I don't think in the lower freeboard boats that the 1100's will ever "totally fill". the nice thing about them is that they fill all the nooks/crannies that the 750's won't. I notice that they are around 90% full in mine, but then they start pushing the compartment doors open.

Sea N' Things
04-09-2011, 11:44 AM
O my.....LOL...nice comparison! :) I am just afraid that if something happens to the boat the dealer can use the weight of the 1100's as an excuse not to warranty.

Sea N' Things
04-09-2011, 11:58 AM
Just for warranty concerns alone I may have to go with the 750's because I really don't want another head to head with the dealer. It's all bad enough as it is and the way the purchase is goiong I couldn't imagine battling over warranty issues.

brain_rinse
04-09-2011, 12:04 PM
I want to try the 1100s sometime. The nice thing about the 750s is that I can still use the cargo nets for ropes and handles, even with the bags full. A couple hundred extra lbs would be nice for surfing though.

Sea N' Things
04-09-2011, 12:08 PM
And it's not like the sac's are really expensive, I'm sure the 750's would sell pretty quick as a hand me down for another new boat owner who wants to upgrade. Ya the warranty is a big concern of mind although the salesman didn't seem to be bothered or concerned with warranty when I mentioned it to him last week but warranty wasn't discussed, I am sure the tune would change if something happened.

Sea N' Things
04-09-2011, 12:35 PM
I don't want to hi-jack my own threat by changing the subject of discussion but below is a quote of mine from an email to the manager of Martin Motor Sports yeaterday. I to would like to see everyone have a smooth and enjoyable buying experience with the dealer of choice.

"according to the Moomba forum thread I created, the President of SC has been actively reading and this may be the perfect place to post my story of this buying experience or it can be an amazing blog of how MMS recovered a frustrated and discouraged customer"

...they have not responded to my email yet but I will keep my threat on this issue up to date

http://www.moomba.com/msgboard/showthread.php?t=14292

Sea N' Things
04-09-2011, 12:46 PM
You know what, I would love to meet some of you guys in person according to pics and conversations everyone seems to be a great bunch. Yes we have disagreements over opinions but they come and go like water off a ducks back. If things do go south, no pun intended, I will be emailing Rick and Anthony and anyone else who will listen, it will not be pushed under a mat so easily. Thanks for the encouragement Ed :)

KSmith
04-09-2011, 02:55 PM
It's a matter of getting all the folds and wrinkles out of the sac once you place it in the compartment to get the hose to stay in a good position. I take my sacs out everytime I use my boat so the compartment can dry underneath.

I haven't tried the 1100 I bought yet, but last year I had an issue with my 750 when I went to drain it after wakesurfing. It would not drain, nothing. I had to take the top plug out and stand on it to drain it into the locker and bilge from the top until it was empty enough I could move it forward. The hose was kinked somewhat and the bag bunched up. After that I put a couple of those square throw life preservers on the back wall, one on each side of the fill/drain hose connection, keeps the bag from rolling back over the hose/connection, I have not had an issue draining it since.

rdlangston13
04-09-2011, 03:43 PM
I haven't tried the 1100 I bought yet, but last year I had an issue with my 750 when I went to drain it after wakesurfing. It would not drain, nothing. I had to take the top plug out and stand on it to drain it into the locker and bilge from the top until it was empty enough I could move it forward. The hose was kinked somewhat and the bag bunched up. After that I put a couple of those square throw life preservers on the back wall, one on each side of the fill/drain hose connection, keeps the bag from rolling back over the hose/connection, I have not had an issue draining it since.

that is actually a really good idea!

you da man
04-10-2011, 03:17 PM
Something I haven't seen mentioned is that when going from 400 or 750 to 1100 you may have to extend your fill and or vent line. If you don't have enough length the hose could pull out of the fitting when the sac is almost full and you'll be filling your v-drive locker instead of the sac and you won't realize it until your bilge pump kicks in

kennedy
04-10-2011, 08:01 PM
I have asked this before Where do you BUY the 1100 SAC.

I have looked all over and can find nothing larger then a 750 PRO X or is it another brand.

Thanks for the HELP!!

sandm
04-10-2011, 08:22 PM
wakemakers.com will hook you up dustin..

I had no issues with the length that skiers provided. I did have to pull a few of the hoses out and re-route them, but the length was perfect :)

bergermaister
04-11-2011, 08:35 PM
Ok - lots of guys chiming in on the issue of the kinking of lines when bags are full and not being able to drain.

Any thoughts or opinions on which type of 3/4" or 1" hose is more study and resistant to flattening out or kinking? I'm real curious as I'll be ordering close to 100ft here soon and haven't been able to compare them side by side yet.

Regular black hose
http://www.wakemakers.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/small_image/170x170/5e06319eda06f020e43594a9c230972d/1/_/1_inch_ballast_hose.jpg

Premium type coil hose
http://www.wakemakers.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/small_image/170x170/5e06319eda06f020e43594a9c230972d/p/r/premium_3_4_ballast_hose_1.jpg

Clear braided
http://flexpvc.com/cart/html/images/BraidPVCTubingSmall.png

T100
04-12-2011, 01:01 AM
Premium type coil hose hands down, I installed 3' of clear braided and it kinked. Had to shorten er up, I wish I could find some 3/4 coil hose local but no luck.:(

New Guy
04-12-2011, 10:56 AM
I have some 1" spa hose that is pretty stiff and I don't think I could kink it if I wanted to.