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jboardman
07-11-2011, 01:42 PM
My 09 XLV Gravity is getting feedback noise thru the speakers when the engine is running even with the stereo OFF. I also get feedback noise from my wakeplate motor when I'm adjusting it. Same thing... doesn't matter if the stereo is OFF or ON. When I turn the Stereo switch On and OFF is stops if for a few seconds but the noise comes back. I know this is a grounding problem but not sure where to start troubleshooting. If anyone's had this problem before, please let me know the quick solution.

501
07-11-2011, 02:40 PM
I put some Ground Loop Isolator RCA cables from the deck to the amp and the problem was gone. My 2008 XLV came from the factory this way too, which I feel is unacceptable on a 55k boat when the fix is either moving the grounds (ground all amps and deck to the same spot) or some simple RCA's. An easy fix, but not one the owner should have to make.

http://www.thesource.ca/estore/product.aspx?language=en-ca&catalog=online&category=Stereo%20Cables&product=2700054

philwsailz
07-11-2011, 03:29 PM
My 09 XLV Gravity is getting feedback noise thru the speakers when the engine is running even with the stereo OFF. I also get feedback noise from my wakeplate motor when I'm adjusting it. Same thing... doesn't matter if the stereo is OFF or ON. When I turn the Stereo switch On and OFF is stops if for a few seconds but the noise comes back. I know this is a grounding problem but not sure where to start troubleshooting. If anyone's had this problem before, please let me know the quick solution.

If you are getting noise through your speaekrs with the stereo off, your amps are staying on.

If it is a newer boat with Kicker amps, there is a switch on the amp called AUTO TURN ON. Make sure it is in the +12V position. That will prevent the noise when the stereo is off.

If you have not adjusted gains, and noise is getting louder, it usually points to a battery not fully charged, or losing its ability to hold a charge. a battery is very similar to a large capacitor, and as such it does a good job of absorbing some noises. As the battery ages it becomes less effective at it.

Outside of these two items, noise on a boat is most common due to a difference in voltage potential between the amplifier(s) and the head unit. If you re-wire the head unit's power wiring so that it comes from the biggest amplifiers power lugs, most of the time your noises will go away. We have posted this mod several places, so search it out. If you don't find it, post back here, and I cen re-post a pic.

Phil
Kicker

brain_rinse
07-11-2011, 03:40 PM
Just curious, Phil... why wire the headunit to the amp instead of just directly to the battery?

philwsailz
07-11-2011, 03:47 PM
Just curious, Phil... why wire the headunit to the amp instead of just directly to the battery?

It has a potential to have the radio even closer to the same voltage potential, as the amplifier PLUS many amps have great big filter capacitors on the inside of the amplifer, right inside next to the power connectors. Those filter caps can help remove noise on the power wiring for quieter installations.

Phil
Kicker

jboardman
07-11-2011, 07:41 PM
It has a potential to have the radio even closer to the same voltage potential, as the amplifier PLUS many amps have great big filter capacitors on the inside of the amplifer, right inside next to the power connectors. Those filter caps can help remove noise on the power wiring for quieter installations.

Phil
Kicker

Phil,
Do you think just leaving the Auto Turn On to DC or Audio may be causing the whole problem? I've had the boat out about 8-9 times and it had no problems until the last day. I was messing around with the amps and may have left it on DC by accident. I store the boat at the lake about 3 hours from my house so I can't just go check it out for a few weeks.

deafgoose
07-11-2011, 08:44 PM
I had the same problem. I thought everyone was crazy when they told me to ground the head unit to the amp's negative terminal but it actually worked!

philwsailz
07-12-2011, 11:52 AM
Phil,
Do you think just leaving the Auto Turn On to DC or Audio may be causing the whole problem? I've had the boat out about 8-9 times and it had no problems until the last day. I was messing around with the amps and may have left it on DC by accident. I store the boat at the lake about 3 hours from my house so I can't just go check it out for a few weeks.

Yes, at least the noise when the head unit is turned off can directly be attributed to your changing the turn-on switch position.
Here is the deal: for either Signal Sense or DC offset, there is a potential in a boat for there to be enough noise in the RCA cables to cause the amps to stay on It can do this even with your head unit off, as evidenced by the fact you have noise with it off right now.

Since you say you were messing around with the amps, what were you messing with? There is a possibility that something you did is contributing not only to the amps staying turned on, but to the increased noise as well.

In the meantime, know there is a chance your amps are on right now if the turn-on switch in a position other than +12V. You may go back to find a dead battery. It is not super-likely, but possible.

Phil
Kicker

jboardman
07-12-2011, 01:01 PM
OK. Thanks for the info. I was just thinking that since everything was working OK for 8-9 boating days, it was odd that it would start happening now and not earlier. I was guessing it may be something I set on the amps. I'll try to set everything back when I get down to the boat in a few weeks. If that doesn't work, I'll try the re-wiring.
Thanks everyone for all the posts!

philwsailz
07-12-2011, 01:44 PM
OK. Thanks for the info. I was just thinking that since everything was working OK for 8-9 boating days, it was odd that it would start happening now and not earlier. I was guessing it may be something I set on the amps. I'll try to set everything back when I get down to the boat in a few weeks. If that doesn't work, I'll try the re-wiring.
Thanks everyone for all the posts!

What did you set on the amps? Change the gain? Change crossovers? Bass Boost?

Phil
Kicker

jboardman
07-12-2011, 02:16 PM
What did you set on the amps? Change the gain? Change crossovers? Bass Boost?

Phil
Kicker

I really don't remember. I was just checking out different settings. I'm not sure what I left the settings at. If you have any recommendations though, I'll take them and start with those.

philwsailz
07-12-2011, 02:39 PM
I really don't remember. I was just checking out different settings. I'm not sure what I left the settings at. If you have any recommendations though, I'll take them and start with those.

What amp?

I will get you the stock configuration we set up for best volume and noise-free operation.

Phil
Kicker

EarmarkMarine
07-12-2011, 04:03 PM
Pertaining to the Brain Rinse question whether to ground the source unit at the amplifier or battery...
The most importance relationship to have low resistance and zero potential difference is between the components in the signal path. Everything else is of secondary importance when it comes to noise. Now if the source unit, amplification and batteries are all in the port locker and the connecting gauge of cables and quality of connectors/connections are of very high, it may not make a difference. In many other boats the batteries are in the transom or in a more remote location related to the audio components, so Phil's recommendation becomes an essential practice.

David
Earmark Marine

jboardman
07-12-2011, 04:12 PM
What amp?

I will get you the stock configuration we set up for best volume and noise-free operation.

Phil
Kicker

It's the ZX200.4 4 channel amp.

philwsailz
07-12-2011, 04:48 PM
It's the ZX200.4 4 channel amp.

Here is my recommended setup thern. This is the factory setup sheet, or was used to create the factory setup sheet.

jikemones
07-19-2011, 02:31 PM
Here is my recommended setup thern. This is the factory setup sheet, or was used to create the factory setup sheet.

Phil,

Do you happen to have one of these factory set up sheets for the 2011 LSV with the MB Quart stereo, two amps, sub, tower speakers, and six boat speakers? I'm currently experiencing hum in the speakers and it's driving me crazy. I believe that my system came from the factoy with one of my RCA cables "Y'd".

Thanks,

philwsailz
07-19-2011, 02:35 PM
Phil,

Do you happen to have one of these factory set up sheets for the 2011 LSV with the MB Quart stereo, two amps, sub, tower speakers, and six boat speakers? I'm currently experiencing hum in the speakers and it's driving me crazy. I believe that my system came from the factoy with one of my RCA cables "Y'd".

Thanks,

I can dig it up, but first things first. Re-wire your head unit power wiring to the amplifier as shown in this diagram. Run the red head unit cable through a switch but other wise, take both power wires and the ground wire staright to the amp terminals.

After that, make sure you have not turned the gain controls up. I will dig for the factory sheet.

Phil
Kicker

philwsailz
07-19-2011, 02:38 PM
Phil,

Do you happen to have one of these factory set up sheets for the 2011 LSV with the MB Quart stereo, two amps, sub, tower speakers, and six boat speakers? I'm currently experiencing hum in the speakers and it's driving me crazy. I believe that my system came from the factoy with one of my RCA cables "Y'd".

Thanks,

Here are the amp setup sheets


Phil
Kicker

jikemones
07-19-2011, 05:35 PM
Thanks, I'll give it a try and let you know how it goes.

jboardman
08-16-2011, 05:17 PM
If you are getting noise through your speaekrs with the stereo off, your amps are staying on.

If it is a newer boat with Kicker amps, there is a switch on the amp called AUTO TURN ON. Make sure it is in the +12V position. That will prevent the noise when the stereo is off.

If you have not adjusted gains, and noise is getting louder, it usually points to a battery not fully charged, or losing its ability to hold a charge. a battery is very similar to a large capacitor, and as such it does a good job of absorbing some noises. As the battery ages it becomes less effective at it.

Outside of these two items, noise on a boat is most common due to a difference in voltage potential between the amplifier(s) and the head unit. If you re-wire the head unit's power wiring so that it comes from the biggest amplifiers power lugs, most of the time your noises will go away. We have posted this mod several places, so search it out. If you don't find it, post back here, and I cen re-post a pic.

Phil
Kicker

Just an update. I set my amp's AutoTurnOn back to the +12V and everything worked great. No feedback noises at all.
Thanks for all the help.