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08LSV
09-01-2011, 03:15 AM
Quote from Cab on the liking the MOJO thread.


I wish they would do something with the nose, such as put an anchor locker in it, or a stowed, telescoping ladder. Or a small cooler compartment for the bow occupants. And make it flat so you can sit on it or dive off it. As it stands, it's pretty useless. Might be nice to look at but it has no function.

Dude I totally get what yer saying bout the nose.... It really looks like wasted space...... They shoulda just made the seating area larger. I know the name of this thread is "Liking the MOJO" and I know I am gonna get blasted with hate mail about what I'm fixin to say, but here it goes.

I really, really, really wanted to like this boat. But I don't. Honestly I can't find anything on it that I like more than my LSV. I mean pickle fork fronts are great because they create more usable space, not less. Also the interior feels cheap to me. just from looking at the pictures. For instance if you notice the side of the interior to the right of the driver they went back to a flat section of fiberglass rather than the molded panel that makes that area look more streamlined and not just like they forgot to put something there. I have not been in one so I cannot speak to that. I also don't know what the price is so, maybe its price is cheaper hence the interior. Lastly the name MOJO.... I mean come on, that's the best their marketing people can come up with? I better get of my soapbox now before they send the SC snipers out to get me.

Sorry Dan and everybody else that likes it, I had to do it.... If SC bans me from the forum it's been nice knowing you guys.

mmandley
09-01-2011, 05:02 AM
HAHAHA they wont ban you for that. You made no remarks that violate anything. Im with you on the nose and i agee on the panel by the throttle. Yet they did the same thing to the LSV in 2010. They started changing things that i didnt like and as of this point i still wouldnt by another LSV for these reasons.
1 no carpet by the speakers makes it look cheap and unfinished
2 no panel next to the throttle again makes it look unfinished and cheap
3 round cut out for access to the fuel pump. Plastic cheap, they could have made a carpet covered access door like the drain plug.

08LSV
09-01-2011, 05:46 AM
Yeah I just get the feeling of "Cheap" every time I see the pics. And by cheap I just mean like lacking quality. It's amazing how a few little things can make it look like a "made in china (insert your favorite foreign country here)" knock off..... And then add the name and I feel like I'm in a goofy Austin powers movie. Like I said I really kept trying to make myself like it, but no dice so far.

Ed G
09-01-2011, 06:32 AM
I'll pipe in too...

I do not like the design of the nose of the boat, BUT as we have been told, this is a prototype put together for the dealers meeting and we have not seen the final design.

One thing that would worry me though, I'm thinking the way the "pickles" have a square corner... that could lead to some interesting events when someone is coming in at a slow speed onto the trailer at an angle and that corner catches a guide pole.

I'll reserve my opinions for the product launch.

"Get your Mojo runnin'...head out on the water"

catchy tune

NCSUmoomba
09-01-2011, 08:17 AM
I think I will chime in here as well.

I like the clean lines of the interior. It is more simple and I like that. It is a big contrast to MC where they use lots of (too many) stiching patterns and such and makes the interior look too busy.

As everyone else said, I love the snap out carpet.

The design of the bow does not bother me too much, although it is screaming for a pair of air intake vents on the side recesses. And as long as that cushion right behind it will open, I think it is great. You all know we have to carry extra PFDs just in case we ever max out the capacity of our boats, well stuffing all those orange things up there out of the way would be nice. I personally do this with my Outback now, I stuff 4 or 5 PDFs up in the nose of my boat just so I'm "legal" but they rarely get used. It would also be a great place to store an anchor.

Now I am going to pick on you guys for a bit. Carpet next to the speakers? What does that gain you? An area more difficult to clean? Especially since our frosty or sugary beverages are usually parked there. I prefer the plastic panels there. The panel at the throttle? Seriously? That bothers you guys? Once again, easier to clean and one less thing to break or have to try and remove to work on something. Now I know some of the Nautiques have their ballast gauges down there and a small storage cubby for wallet and such, which is nice. Maybe some sort of a storage cubby could be made to pop in there? I am a huge "form follows function" guy and there is no need to put something there that has no purpose.

I also disagree with the "cheap" term. I like to think of it as clean. I compare it to the design of cars. A beautifully designed car has clean flowing lines and everything flows together. Think of a Ferrari. It is designed like this, and there isn't much on the car that is not functional. Most things on the car are there to make it perform better. Now you can buy a car with big hood ornaments and big chrome door handles, and then you can go to the autoparts store and buy lots of plastic chrome pieces and stick on there, but to me, that ruins the design and just clutters it up.

I look at MC, great boat, but not my style. The amount of time and money and resources spent to do all that machining work for all the switches and panels and tower and such must be insane. That is part of why they cost so much, but all that work does not make the boat function any better as a boat, and in my opinion, is just distracting and annoying.

Personally, I think Skiers Choice is going the right direction with the Mojo. Over the past few years, I have been noticing that the Moombas have been looking more and more like Supras with the plush interiors and such. This is contrary to what I think Moomba is about, or what it is about to me and why I have a Moomba. I know I will catch flak for this one, but I think Malibu hit a home run with the Axis, and when it came out, I really liked that boat. I said to myself, "Now this is what my wakeboard boat would look like if I designed and built one." I think the success of that boat line has been a wake up call to Skiers Choice to re-examine the direction they were going with the Moomba line. I also think they have responded very well and designed a great boat that truly embodied what Moomba is all about, and I congratulate them.

So, if you guys want fancy plush interiors with molded plastic covers and doo dads, and a TV in the dash, then buy a Supra, and you will love it. For me, give me the clean lines and simple interior of the new Mojo, and I will choose it over any other boat on the market right now. I am hoping that the design trends set by the Mojo will trickle down through the entire product line soon.

Congrats once again to Rick and the Skiers Choice Crew for their hard work and insight. Oh, and Rick, let's not ever put a TV in the dash of a Moomba, please?

Lawdog
09-01-2011, 09:41 AM
I have to agree with NCSUmoomba....I'm not sure why people are hating a boat that they haven't seen the finished product of AND have never actually sat in. Just my $.02.

KSmith
09-01-2011, 09:54 AM
I am in the wait and see camp. Until I can sit in the final version and take it out for a test drive I don't have much to say yet. It will be interersting to see how the bow and dash turn out. Not liking the graphics on the prototype, but hey thoase can always be stripped off.... Ok with the Mojo name I guess, not thrilled but not put off either. The 2.5 has to go, really, it does... Other than that time will tell I guess.

On a side note, I too prefer to noto have carpet by the drink holders, the vinyl is much easier to clean...

mmandley
09-01-2011, 10:04 AM
Now I am going to pick on you guys for a bit. Carpet next to the speakers? What does that gain you? An area more difficult to clean? Especially since our frosty or sugary beverages are usually parked there. I prefer the plastic panels there. The panel at the throttle? Seriously? That bothers you guys? Once again, easier to clean and one less thing to break or have to try and remove to work on something. Now I know some of the Nautiques have their ballast gauges down there and a small storage cubby for wallet and such, which is nice. Maybe some sort of a storage cubby could be made to pop in there? I am a huge "form follows function" guy and there is no need to put something there that has no purpose.

I also disagree with the "cheap" term. I like to think of it as clean. I compare it to the design of cars. A beautifully designed car has clean flowing lines and everything flows together. Think of a Ferrari. It is designed like this, and there isn't much on the car that is not functional. Most things on the car are there to make it perform better. Now you can buy a car with big hood ornaments and big chrome door handles, and then you can go to the autoparts store and buy lots of plastic chrome pieces and stick on there, but to me, that ruins the design and just clutters it up.

So, if you guys want fancy plush interiors with molded plastic covers and doo dads, and a TV in the dash, then buy a Supra, and you will love it. For me, give me the clean lines and simple interior of the new Mojo, and I will choose it over any other boat on the market right now. I am hoping that the design trends set by the Mojo will trickle down through the entire product line soon.

Congrats once again to Rick and the Skiers Choice Crew for their hard work and insight. Oh, and Rick, let's not ever put a TV in the dash of a Moomba, please?

My reasoning for the carpet being by the speakers is it gives a plush feel. A finished look. I understand and respect your thoughts on the clean lines and i agree i like a clean look. This is why when you look at my F350 and my boat there both simple. Theres nothing added on that adds flare or look at me. Everything is functional and i beleave less is more. But when i pay 40K plus for a truck i expect it to have Leather heated power seats, power rear sliding window, back up sensors, power sun roof, one touch 4x4 on the fly, heated power mirrors. If i didnt want this then id expect a F350 reg cab SLT with nothing in it for 20K less.

There is no option to buy the Moomba boats striped down for 20K less then a fully loaded one. Its only about 3 to 5K difference from a stripped down one and a fully loaded one yet the striped down one will still cost you 50K

I have never had to vacume the carpet by my cup holders and i think it looks a lot better with the speakers.

I look at it in comparison to a 50s Ford truck door. You open it and its all metal. No door panel at all. This to me is plain and cheap looking. Sure they painted it. I think you will agree if you went out to your car and didnt have door panels just a sheet of metal and door window handle and you paid 40K for it you would want something more.

Panel by the drivers throttle, sure its not needed but then again i like that fact that it is there on my boat and to me it finishes off the dash by wraping it around the driver.

I can say that my next boat will be at least a Supra and not so much for the computer in the dash, frankly im happy with guages, i love them lots of them. I have 13 read outs in my Truck and i look at each one constantly to see whats it doing all the time. I would goto the Supra because once i spend a certain amount of money on soemthing i expect a certain amount of that something in return.

It doesnt cost 55K to build these boats. its prolly a lot closer to 25K and to add a few things to it to make it nicer and more finished i dont think is to much to ask. When i bought my 08 < New > the sticker said 55K optioned. I paid less then 40K 1 year later and the boat had never been off the trailer. So that tells me the boat was marked way over its cost because no way a Dealer is taking that big of a loss on a New boat.

Back on the Topic of the Mojo, i do like the looks of the inteior and most of the boat i really do like. I dont care of the huge nose, and im patiently waiting to see what the finished dash and rear seat will look like.

lsvboombox
09-01-2011, 10:21 AM
agree the front end of that boat is hanus. I'm sure the interior will be fine when its finalized but I couldnt sit in that boat driving while having to look at the front of that boat all day....

sandm
09-01-2011, 11:26 AM
sure wish we would see the final production run. and more importantly, some pics of it weighted with 1100's and bow sack. interested to see the surf wake.

jpetty3023
09-01-2011, 11:43 AM
Lots of good discussion here but the winner is NCSU. very well written post with good points. As most everyone have said, they will reserve final judgement for when the final product is released and we can actually test drive and get a real feel for her. I think SC has listened to it's follower's and the market trend as a whole, and i think the final product will be out of this world. And I am totally confident the surf wave on the Mojo is going to be sick! Add a great wakeboarding wake to it and we have the best of both worlds once the dust settles and final product is released.

saskyrider
09-01-2011, 11:58 AM
I'm not going to put to much stock into anything until i see what the finished product looks like. For me right now... i don't mind the bow but some of al's suggestions would be cool. As for the dash.... BARF! hate it. i like everything else except for the rear seat being open underneath.. don't care for that either.

08LSV
09-01-2011, 05:08 PM
Lots of good discussion here but the winner is NCSU. very well written post with good points.

Really? Really? No Really..... He compared a moomba to a Ferrari........ Really? Gimme a break. Did you even read Mikes post? Would you buy a $50k car that had an interior like that? The answer is no, no one would. I am not into flash either, I never add chrome as an option to anything. I am not hating on the MOJO. I said I want to like it, I just don't. As far as the production run, my experience has lead me to believe that it will not change much. If anything like other industries the final run has less features than the prototype.

Function is most important. But do you have a flat screen tv? Yes. and it is greater than 36 inches? Probably. Is there plastic casing around the tv? Yes. Why? You don't need the plastic, but would you buy one without it? No. You wouldn't and you would laugh if someone tried to sell you one for $1500.....


Let me put it another way. I love to surf. I have surfed in the ocean long before I owned a boat. Lets be honest the Centurion ENZO has the best wave out there. However I would never buy one, the way they look and feel right now. They feel super cheap to me when your in them.

But in a bad economy when you want me to pay more to get less that is where I have a problem.

Look I am not trying to start a thread to bash SC or the Mojo, just to discuss my concerns about choices they made for this boat. I plan to buy another boat within 5yrs and would like to stay with SC. This is why the choices they make or directions they are heading concerns me. I would like to be a lifelong member of this family.

Also, I started this thread here so that I would not be a jerk on Brains thread "Liking the MOJO!". If you like the MOJO, then why not post how much you like it that thread....

lsvboombox
09-01-2011, 05:12 PM
they probably also thru in those slow a$$ reversible pumps.....

02Outback
09-01-2011, 06:15 PM
When will the final product be released? Any word on that?

wolfeman131
09-01-2011, 06:21 PM
final product is coming mid-October

you da man
09-01-2011, 06:33 PM
they probably also thru in those slow a$$ reversible pumps.....

The Jabsco pumps are slower than the factory Rule pumps in '08 and older boats? Johnson reversible pumps have good reviews

Canuckle Head
09-01-2011, 06:45 PM
The Jabsco pumps are slower than the factory Rule pumps in '08 and older boats? Johnson reversible pumps have good reviews

Love my Johnson pumps!

And, I agree with 08LSV. The fit and finish that I am seeing on the Mojo in my opinion doesn't warrant a 60k price tag if that is where it's going to hit. But like I said before I will reserve judgement untill I actually sit in the boat.

Oh and the last time I looked (which was when I was in Vegas last month) at a Ferrari it had a beautifully stitched leather dash and nothing on it looked cheap or utilitarian.

skiyaker
09-01-2011, 09:02 PM
But like I said before I will reserve judgement untill I actually sit in the boat.

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that's what I've been trying to do- then again why would anyone care what I think about this boat? With a name like "mojo" it's going to be marketed to old dude dads who like to surf and maybe have a kid or two that like to wakeboard. The first time I saw an Axis I thought nobody would buy a boat that looked like that so what do I know.

wolfeman131
09-01-2011, 09:10 PM
With a name like "mojo" it's going to be marketed to old dude dads who like to surf and maybe have a kid or two that like to wakeboard.

Uh, yeah and I'd guess it's b/c us "old dude" dads are their target audience as, for the most part, it's us "old dude" dads that can plunk down $55+k for a new boat in these economic times. Have some fun and watch what happens when you take a 20-something dude with a sub-700 credit score and an income below $50k into the dealership and ask about financing a boat.

moombadaze
09-01-2011, 09:18 PM
old dude dads who like to surf and maybe have a kid or two that like to wakeboard.

Hey I resemble that remark--but only one kid

KSmith
09-01-2011, 09:23 PM
Uh, yeah and I'd guess it's b/c us "old dude" dads are their target audience as, for the most part, it's us "old dude" dads that can plunk down $55+k for a new boat in these economic times. Have some fun and watch what happens when you take a 20-something dude with a sub-700 credit score and an income below $50k into the dealership and ask about financing a boat.

Well said Drew. Us old dudes need to stick together, that way when one of us breaks a leg we have help getting out of the water LOL

wolfeman131
09-01-2011, 09:29 PM
knee, back, hip - heck, it's all falling apart on me. Help a brother out Kapt'n!

Maybe we should start one of those old folks retirement communities that is centered around water sports?

moombadaze
09-01-2011, 09:36 PM
!

Maybe we should start one of those old folks retirement communities that is centered around water sports?

Will nurse Helga be the driver??????

wolfeman131
09-01-2011, 09:48 PM
nope, zegm & sled will be the drivers.

skiyaker
09-01-2011, 10:27 PM
LOL hey no offense meant to all the old dudes- I'm getting there myself. And I'm not saying SC is a dumb boat co- the old dudes have the $ and their sons do the awesome tricks- nothing wrong with that Mojo men now grab some viagra and have a great night

KSmith
09-02-2011, 10:46 AM
knee, back, hip - heck, it's all falling apart on me. Help a brother out Kapt'n!

Maybe we should start one of those old folks retirement communities that is centered around water sports?

Oh hell yeah, I'm in! Old Farts Retirement Water Sports Recreation and Rehabilitaion Center

New Guy
09-02-2011, 11:17 AM
Mojo men now grab some viagra and have a great night

I actually LOL! Nice one.

sandm
09-02-2011, 11:18 AM
if it's on the water, i'm there....

hell, put me on a pontoon boat and take me on the booze cruize and I'm happy...