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moombadaze
10-19-2011, 08:48 AM
love the way the inboat system sounds-nice mix of bass and highs

issue I have is when surfing and the tower speakers are turned up it does not have enough bass

what would be the best way to increase the tower speakers for bass but not effect the incabin portion

wolfeman131
10-19-2011, 08:58 AM
Mount a wireless sub to your surfboard

bergermaister
10-19-2011, 09:02 AM
Quit singing along and drowning it out, try humming

Razzman
10-19-2011, 10:34 AM
Daze you don't want bass at the tower, it's their worst enemy. If you add bass at the hu it is applied to all zones. You'd have to adjust the amp crossover frequency at the amp, not good. Problem there is when you turn up the volume to hear at boarding distance or anywhere near you can cause bad things to happen!

brain_rinse
10-19-2011, 11:03 AM
Depends on what you mean by bass I suppose. The Exiles are very midbass heavy, assuming you don't have the crossover frequency set too high. Mine have tons of lowend and sound great all by themselves. My xover is set right at 100 hz which the Exiles have no problems with, even at max volume. But if you mean the mirror shaking thump, then the only way is with a sub.

My shoot from the hip guess is that your amp xover is at 125 hz.

mmandley
10-19-2011, 02:22 PM
I agree with Brain in this one. You can adjust the tower amp but you need to be sure not to over bass the tower speakers.

Ultimately the only way to make bass for a rider to hear and feel is a subwoofer.

This is one reason I went over the top with my sub setup and went to a larger amp this past summer. Surfing is my main passion so I want to make sure the tunes sound great at surf distance too.

I also added a FAE to the boat and man do we love it. You can hear the stereo so much better and no exhaust fumes. Plus the overall sound of the boat is much nicer to me. Just need to get the ACME prop as the OJ vi ration is really noticable now lol

MLA
10-19-2011, 09:44 PM
love the way the inboat system sounds-nice mix of bass and highs

issue I have is when surfing and the tower speakers are turned up it does not have enough bass

what would be the best way to increase the tower speakers for bass but not effect the incabin portion

What do you have on the tower, what are they amp'd with and where is the x-over currently set?

You might be able to cross them over a little lower, but I would recommend backing off the gain a little as well. This may improve the near-field mid-bass a little, but you will loose some of the output at distance.

rdlangston13
10-19-2011, 11:18 PM
Brian from exile needs to make a trip to Houston to tune my system!

moombadaze
10-20-2011, 08:17 AM
Brian from exile needs to make a trip to Houston to tune my system!

He can stop by on his way home from Florida-ha

Guys, what do you mean by "crossover" ?

I only use the tower speakers for surfing-4 Exile's SX65Q's powered by a Exile amp-think its a 800

Mike, been thinking about the fae myself-how hard was it to install ?

mmandley
10-20-2011, 09:23 AM
He can stop by on his way home from Florida-ha

Guys, what do you mean by "crossover" ?

I only use the tower speakers for surfing-4 Exile's SX65Q's powered by a Exile amp-think its a 800

Mike, been thinking about the fae myself-how hard was it to install ?

If your running the Exile 800 the cross over is built into the amp, its the other dials next to the Gain with the 40 60 80 100 type numbers on it.

For the FAE it was pretty decent, you get the exhaust part all as one peace, then you have to cut the cross bar to fit inbetween the swimdeck brackets, drill the swim deck brackets to mount the bar. If you deside to get it you can now get the quick relase option so you can remove the swim deck. I got this option as well. I have a bunch of pictures of the work i did. I just never did the write up. A nice side effect is i dont have swim deck slop anylonger lol.

Let me know if you want to go this route. I can use you as a reccomended cutomser to Larry < owner of FAE >

bergermaister
10-20-2011, 06:51 PM
Totally off topic here, but can you run full speed / any speed with the FAE on? I haven't looked that closely or read up on it much. Figured it is easier to just ask....

mmandley
10-20-2011, 07:34 PM
Totally off topic here, but can you run full speed / any speed with the FAE on? I haven't looked that closely or read up on it much. Figured it is easier to just ask....

Yes it has no effect on boat performance at all. It bolts onto the exhaust outlets and then is also secured to the swimplatform. All it does is redirect the exhaust flow to down near the prop so when your surfing you dont smell the exhaust, it also causes the exhaust to be much quiter but even at idle you still get the normal rumble and burberling of the exhaust.

moombadaze
10-20-2011, 08:43 PM
how much quiter is your boat when surfing behind it-with your stereo off, could the driver hear you, can you hear the driver without shouting ??

MLA
10-21-2011, 08:02 AM
He can stop by on his way home from Florida-ha

Guys, what do you mean by "crossover" ?

I only use the tower speakers for surfing-4 Exile's SX65Q's powered by a Exile amp-think its a 800

Mike, been thinking about the fae myself-how hard was it to install ?

The amp will have a 2 dials that set the frequency "floor" for the speakers. This setting is in Hertz (Hz). With those speakers, at that power level, and for surfing, I would probably set those two dials at 80Hz. Id also like to see where they are set currently if you dont mind noting and posting back.

Next, you need to make sure the two x-over filter switches are set on "Hi-Pass". If your gains where set using a gain setting procedure, then turn them down a couple clicks.

mmandley
10-22-2011, 02:38 PM
how much quiter is your boat when surfing behind it-with your stereo off, could the driver hear you, can you hear the driver without shouting ??

Its very quite, when driving you can actually hear the water splashing from the boat, now thats a cool effect i never herd before. Also when your surfing you can shut the tower off and listen to the cabin speakers really well. Yes i can yell but not loudly at the driver for any changes i want in speed. Also the rider can hear me yell back at them now when im giving them directions or a roller warning.

philwsailz
10-24-2011, 11:42 AM
Something to ponder guys-

While we are usually very careful to wire all speakers electrically in-phase, there are times when wiring select speakers out-of-phase makes sense. Sound travels at, well, the speed of sound, (duh! :) ) and it takes time for sound to get from a speaker to your ears. The echo of the announcer at big outdoor events is an extreme example of this. If you are listening/hearing two, (or more) different speakers at the same time there will be cancellation of certain frequencies... This is due to the fact that the sounds from the speakers are travelling different distances and are arriving at your ear in different phase/differeing times. Put another way, while the speakers are electrically in-phase, the speakers can be out-of-phase acoustically due to your listening position.

For surfing, I have found that when you are looking for bass or mid-bass, the tower speakers are often out-of-phase acoustically right in the mid-bass region that is at the bottom-end of the tower speakers' frequency response. If you go to the tower speaker wires and flip the speaker wire positive for negative for all tower speakers you sometimes find that the resposne improves in the low end. When flipping the tower wiring phase, do it at the speakes only, or at the amp only, and not both.

There is no reason not to try this; it costs nothing, will not damage anything, and often will give you better performance. Give it a try and let us know!

Phil
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