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mmandley
01-15-2012, 08:22 AM
Made it out to the Portland boat show 2012.

Myself, Claudia, and my bro Steve. Ran into another brutha Ryan Newton <Newty> and several other people i know.

There was a specific request for the Pavati so ill start with that.
Whats my take on this boat? Im pretty undicided as to what it will become because honestly they brought 1/2 a boat to the show if you ask me. The boat was ony finished enough to float, run, and look at. There is no finishing touches yet on the inside compartment, no ballast, no trim system such as a wake plate, no real video of what this boat can really do.

What i did learn taliking to whom i assume is the designer is this boat weighs in at 3600lbs. Its 100% aluminum, there is palns to make the entire hull a ballast compartment with apx 4K of ballast. You can pic any engine you want for the boat. Currently it had a Scorpion. Everything on this boat is airbrushed. It still needs a lot of finishing touches to make me see 100K worth of boat, but it does have promise and i do look forward to seeing what this thing will grow into by this summer.

This boat is aimed for the wakeboard and wakesurf market. They said its got one of the smoothest looking surf waves you have ever seen, i found it interesting theres no tab, trim, wake plate, type system but its in the plans. I snickered when they said its easy to surf to because it loves to lean right over when you will the boat. Yet theres no plumbing, bags, or tanks in this boat yet. Course it also makes me cring to think if it leans over so easy then it will be hard to balance when weighted for wake boarding. IDK Time will tell.

Heres the pics.

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mmandley
01-15-2012, 08:26 AM
As said before all graphics are air brished, better not get dock rash, trailer docking rash, or even drop a beer can on mose of this boat.

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mmandley
01-15-2012, 08:28 AM
I do like the skag.

http://i639.photobucket.com/albums/uu114/mmandley/DSC_0429.jpg
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V Drive compartment, has batteries in the rear. Also next pic after is the hull, they are going to build ballast tanks, or something into this space to help with 4K ballast.
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mmandley
01-15-2012, 08:30 AM
Rear deck
http://i639.photobucket.com/albums/uu114/mmandley/DSC_0423.jpg
This is a compartment in the pickle fork nose.
http://i639.photobucket.com/albums/uu114/mmandley/DSC_0422.jpg

Kinda cool a wind up wake board rope system, nothing was in it, your wake board handle just dangles from the rope or you could hook it over the tower.
http://i639.photobucket.com/albums/uu114/mmandley/DSC_0425.jpg

mmandley
01-15-2012, 08:33 AM
Guy standing up is the designer i think, hes the one who did all the talking when i was asking questions.
http://i639.photobucket.com/albums/uu114/mmandley/DSC_0426.jpg
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I have to admit this is probaly the worst ever Nose seating area ive ever seen. Its literally 8 inches deep. I would never throw kids, dogs, or anyone up there for that matter while under speed and turning, unless of course it was an X wife, or girlfriend LOL.

http://i639.photobucket.com/albums/uu114/mmandley/DSC_0415.jpg

mmandley
01-15-2012, 08:42 AM
OK On to the next big boat for the show Moomba MOJO. Rawww yaaahhh yea...OK seriously not impressed at all.

This boat is priced to knock out the XLV from the market. You cant knock the LSV out because its the bread and butter of Moomba, for a long time sales on the XLV have been dropping and im thinking in the next couple years if the MOJO does sell well you will XLV cut from the line.

What did i like about this boat? I like the effort, i like the seat materials, i like the V drive depth, i like the hull depth, and i like the color scheme AWS picked.

What dont i like about this boat? Front end, the rear seat, the price, the tower, lack of a tower mirror, and the overal unfinished look these boat leaves in my memory.

Like i have said before about Moomba, awesome product, i get the price point idea, but too much fiberglass is showing in this boat and leaves a Bayliner look in my mind. Pull out carpet, sure its nice looks pretty decent too but i think for 56K something better could have been done. Rear seat is absolutly hidious, and can you only imagine the rattle you will hear out of the V drive cover sitting fiberglass to fiberglass?

Not impressed at all im sorry, and i saw several other boats at 60K which is the direct competition of this boat that are fare better looking and loaded with more options.

Skiers Choice better step up there game because there is several others gunning for your market. Supreme, Axis, are dominating this boat size right now with fit, finish, and options.

Heres the pics.
http://i639.photobucket.com/albums/uu114/mmandley/DSC_0381.jpg
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mmandley
01-15-2012, 08:44 AM
More pics I didnt take a ton of pics of the Mojo as we have seen them and nothing on this boat is any different then what we have seen so fare.
http://i639.photobucket.com/albums/uu114/mmandley/DSC_0386.jpg
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mmandley
01-15-2012, 08:45 AM
Couple go fast boats.

http://i639.photobucket.com/albums/uu114/mmandley/DSC_0395.jpg
Engine from above boat.
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mmandley
01-15-2012, 08:48 AM
Got 180K burning a hole in your wallet? Want a Ferrari on the water? Heres it is. Personally id take the car, same byself 50K lol.

http://i639.photobucket.com/albums/uu114/mmandley/DSC_0409.jpg
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mmandley
01-15-2012, 08:49 AM
More pics
http://i639.photobucket.com/albums/uu114/mmandley/DSC_0407.jpg
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mmandley
01-15-2012, 08:51 AM
more pics
http://i639.photobucket.com/albums/uu114/mmandley/DSC_0401.jpg

This was me having a little fin with the D5100.

This is what we see looking threw the vents to the engine bay.
http://i639.photobucket.com/albums/uu114/mmandley/DSC_0402.jpg

This is what the D5100 sees

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mmandley
01-15-2012, 08:56 AM
On top deck of the house boat.
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COuple Nautiques
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mmandley
01-15-2012, 08:58 AM
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Now heres a boat that was flat out cool. Its actually a river jet boat, with the Caddy 525hp Supercharges CTS engine on it. Plus its got a tower with a tie off on it to wake board or ski behind lol. Course you prolly need a 90ft rope because of the jet rooster but wow.

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mmandley
01-15-2012, 08:59 AM
more pics
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mmandley
01-15-2012, 09:02 AM
Last pic

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A bonus to this years boat show was the back room normaly saved for more boats, was actually reserved and filled with RVs, so we took a tour threw the Truck Bed campers, tow behind campers, pop up campers, 5th campers, Toy haulers, Diesel Pusher Motorhomes and then last but not least the big 400K Bus Motorhome. Was amazed how much room all these campers have now a days. Was a lot of fun.

Over all the boat show was better then last years, but still the 09 show beats them all LOL.

rdlangston13
01-15-2012, 09:06 AM
some guy was going off on wake world about how the welds on the pavati where "less than desirable"

mmandley
01-15-2012, 09:42 AM
I hear ya Dave, i was looking at the welds in the front and im not welder so i cant say whats really nice and not nice but there was some good size chips in the paint on the corners from what looked like hitting the guide poles on the trailer.

sled - 1
01-15-2012, 10:51 AM
I think the aluminum idea is cool and looks cool but I hear the whole lean thing and I think back to the Aluminum boats my family had growing up and can totaly see it.

As for the Mojo and SC and what they are bringing to the market, well I'm a skier and haven't seen anything from them in a decade other than seats and towers for the outback, would be nice to see something real cutting edge, but then again these market conditions just suck!

bergermaister
01-15-2012, 10:57 AM
Pavati was definitely a "different animal" - my buddy was saying it could be a $100k albatross that the owner ends up stuck with... Interesting for sure and big. Not sure where I'd go with it... They still have a lot of finish work to do on it.

http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k414/grberglund/pdxboatshow12/P1080772.jpg
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sled - 1
01-15-2012, 10:58 AM
I think the aluminum idea is cool and looks cool but I hear the whole lean thing and I think back to the Aluminum boats my family had growing up and can totaly see it.

As for the Mojo and SC and what they are bringing to the market, well I'm a skier and haven't seen anything from them in a decade other than seats and towers for the outback, would be nice to see something real cutting edge, but then again these market conditions just suck!

bergermaister
01-15-2012, 11:05 AM
I was happy to see the Mojo in person. I think with time on the water, customer feedback, and further enhancements this will be a great boat for SC. Like a lot of cars, first model year isn't always their best but they improve over time.

I offered to "help" AWS out by coming down with an armload of fat sacs and my camera to see how the surf wave is. Guess I don't have as much pull as Drew does - haha.

Am I in love? Not yet. But I still wanna see one in action!

http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k414/grberglund/pdxboatshow12/P1080679.jpg

bergermaister
01-15-2012, 11:10 AM
Mike was right on with this the Edge Marine boat with the supercharged Caddi engine. I loved it!

One thing I REALLY like about it was the way they integrated the tower into the windshield frame. Very nicely done. Made me think why haven't any of the big wakeboat companies done something like this yet?

http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k414/grberglund/pdxboatshow12/P1080752.jpg

http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k414/grberglund/pdxboatshow12/P1080753.jpg

It had plenty of room along side the engine to throw a couple BIG fat sacs in there too.

sandm
01-15-2012, 11:17 AM
thanks for the great pics guys.. wish I would have been there. ours is coming up in feb. and will be 1/2 of what yours is...

couple takeaways from the pics:
-that dash on the pavati is horrid. random placement of switches and the airbrushing would be distracting to the gauges.
-what's up with the 1) barber chair or 2) replica of James T. Kirks Enterprise chair built into the rear of the thing.
-notice the horrid placement of the transom remote? looks like it would be hard to see..
-how long for first lawsuit from a passenger slipping on the angled rear end that slides down. throw some water on that and it's an accident waiting to happen.
-airbrushing quality looks real nice.

-mojo color scheme is real nice.
-doesn't have a deep "v" at all. hows the surf wave? seems contrary to what makes the enzo's/supremes/mb's surf well.
-ilmore seems to be the engine of choice in the new wave of go-fasts.. good for mc
-no prancing horse but rather a pawing lion?? :)
-LOVE that riverboat with the waketower. clean lines...

millerda68
01-15-2012, 11:33 AM
Thanks Mike and all for posting the pics. Poppy and I went on the Tuesday night. When we went by the Pavati the inside wasn't even assembled yet. Drivers helm was ripped apart, seat missing, lots of last minute assembly going on there. We enjoyed looking at several different boats.
The Mojo was interesting, but we weren't really sold. Color combo was nice though.
The Malibu boats where nice as well but we preferred our Z5 to the tops those had on them.
The LSV was basically the same as our 2010.
We did like the Nautiques, I think more the back end of the boat, the walk through, the deck padding. Color combination of the white and grey were nice.
The Tige boats were OK as well. The coffee colored one was the best of the lot there.
When we went went through the MC booth the first thing out of the wife's mouth was "what the F@@K is up with those towers? That is a bit overkill! Must be for someone with a small d@@k." Needless to say, she wasn't impressed.

The overall opinion when we left is there were a couple of nice boats there, but price was not what we wold pay for those and we are quite happy with what we have and have no desire to change. Regardless, it was fun to see what was out there and appreciate Greg and AWS inviting us out for the pre-show.

bergermaister
01-15-2012, 11:45 AM
One thing I found was that I am really a fan of the wide nose pickles or pickle-variants. Some more than others. The Supreme Surf edition was a big basic boat - kind of liked the simplicity of it and the high sides. I noticed it's T-1200 fill pumps were mounted on the transom down low to give an idea how deep this thing is.

http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k414/grberglund/pdxboatshow12/P1080743.jpg

The pickle front was kinda weird though with the cushions. If you tried to sit on either side facing backwards you'd just slide down into a pile in the middle.

http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k414/grberglund/pdxboatshow12/P1080740.jpg

I'm 6'3" and resting my arm on the side was right at shoulder height. Plus I could walk under the tower with a few inches to spare. That was nice!

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bergermaister
01-15-2012, 11:52 AM
HA HA - to further Miller's take on the MC towers...

http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k414/grberglund/pdxboatshow12/P1080697.jpg

Looks like that belongs on some baja dune racer??

http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k414/grberglund/pdxboatshow12/P1080705.jpg

I actually really liked the X55 they had on the floor - except the tower and the $100k price tag. Although once again I had easily 3-6" of head clearance standing under it so I could probably get used to it. The hidden head on the X55 would be big with the girls.

http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k414/grberglund/pdxboatshow12/P1080704.jpg
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Plus it had surf tabs!

bergermaister
01-15-2012, 11:55 AM
Interior was nice,

http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k414/grberglund/pdxboatshow12/P1080709.jpg

Cockpit was, uh blingy.

http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k414/grberglund/pdxboatshow12/P1080707.jpg

Had a nice X45 on the floor too. Just can't get over the towers. I asked about the Xstar and the MC dude said they took it back to totally redesign the hull? Not supposed to resurface until May. Interesting... MC sales guy wasn't a complete ass either which was somewhat better than expected.

viking
01-15-2012, 04:59 PM
Thanks for the pics guys. No shows in my area to speak of that are worth it. Get 10x more from a few photos posted by the forum :)

I think the comments are dead on with Pavati. I like that they are pushing the envelope and it's different than the everyday variety of the most manufacturers today. But they still have a long way to go!

The Natique's just have a nice clean finished look to them and can't say the same about the Mojo.

Any feedback on Malibu from anybody at this particular show?

bergermaister
01-15-2012, 05:33 PM
We were there a solid 6 hours or more and I sat in and crawled around pretty much every wakeboat on the floor.

Don't want to sound like a traitor, but if I had the dough I'd be looking REAL hard at the new Malibu MXZ. It was a thing of beauty from tip, ok tips to stern. The nose was awesome. Cockpit awesome. Stereo - so-so? - all Rockford Fosgate. Interior was awesome. Really couldn't find any flaws or "meh" besides the sticker price.

The MC X55 or possibly X45 would be right behind that. Just didn't like the MEGATRON looking towers that much.

Spent some time in the Enzo 244. It was cool, but just didn't have the same appeal.

I don't like the towers and some of the interior on the Nautiques. The Supreme was nice, but a little plain vanilla. I was diggin on the Supra 242 but still found a few "hmmmmmm's" on it. That thing was a monster though and I still love that forward then swept back tower.

I didn't see an XLV on the floor - maybe I just missed it. Would have liked to climb around in one for sure.

mmandley
01-15-2012, 07:38 PM
@Berg this is why i think there going to push the XLV off the line because as you saw there wasnt one at the show. They brought the OB LSV and MOJO lol.

I looked threw the Supremes also, very nice looking boat and yea i agree a little plain but its a lot of boat for 60K, only thing i really would want more for 60k is wide tires on the trailer LOL. I like the all new redesigned hull on the Supreme and all new interior they have been doing the last couple years. This boat has come a long way and its aimed specifically at the Tige and Surf people.

I looked threw the Tige as well, i wasnt impressed with the RZ2 and ive been in one on the water, its a beast at surfing but still feels small. They had the all new 23.8 footer there, cant recall its tag number but it was my Fav Tige and Claudia said she would be willing to upgrade to it for 80K if we could roll it out for 70K lol. It just had a lot of cool little details, build in trash can, flip up bow seats to the helm, surf platform and its beveled to balance your wake board so the steel fins dont dig in, and lots of other things i really liked.

Malibu was on the floor think they had 4 boats but didnt see a lot of people by them. MX22 was sweet but they rear end, just says Party boat to me. I looked it over and we all agreed its the #1 pic for taking a boat to the party cove but so much wasted space on the back of the boat made the interior feel small compared to other 22 foot boats.

Nautique only had 4 boats, the A200 there all new crossover pointed at the Moomba line, its a sweet boat but they killed the bow to make the middle area feel bigger. If your not a bow person this boat has a lot of potential.

@Sled look into the Nautique ski boat bro, they had it there and it was sleek, fast looking sitting on the floor LOL and at 55K not bad for one of the baddest ski boats you can buy.

We looked at the MC boats and same thoughts as everyone elese. The first pic of the tower you posted is there new tower, its got the tube rail on the back to kinda clean it up but still a huge expensive tower. The other one is there same tower they launched last year and its a 10K upgrade and its just huge and transformer like lol.

Didnt even walk over to Centurion as they only had 1 boat and i dindt feel that was enough for the effort lol. Same as last year.

viking
01-15-2012, 08:22 PM
Don't want to sound like a traitor, but if I had the dough I'd be looking REAL hard at the new Malibu MXZ. It was a thing of beauty from tip, ok tips to stern. The nose was awesome. Cockpit awesome. Stereo - so-so? - all Rockford Fosgate. Interior was awesome. Really couldn't find any flaws or "meh" besides the sticker price.


Couldn't agree more! I've loved that boat since it came out. What is the price point of the mxz?

you da man
01-15-2012, 09:36 PM
@Berg this is why i think there going to push the XLV off the line because as you saw there wasnt one at the show. They brought the OB LSV and MOJO lol.

I looked threw the Supremes also, very nice looking boat and yea i agree a little plain but its a lot of boat for 60K, only thing i really would want more for 60k is wide tires on the trailer LOL. I like the all new redesigned hull on the Supreme and all new interior they have been doing the last couple years. This boat has come a long way and its aimed specifically at the Tige and Surf people.

I looked threw the Tige as well, i wasnt impressed with the RZ2 and ive been in one on the water, its a beast at surfing but still feels small. They had the all new 23.8 footer there, cant recall its tag number but it was my Fav Tige and Claudia said she would be willing to upgrade to it for 80K if we could roll it out for 70K lol. It just had a lot of cool little details, build in trash can, flip up bow seats to the helm, surf platform and its beveled to balance your wake board so the steel fins dont dig in, and lots of other things i really liked. .

At the current state of the wakeboating game, my next boat will be either the MB Sports B52 TWB 23' or Tige Z3. MB Sports is killing it right now in the "price point" boat game. There are MB dealers doing loaded boats with Wetsounds systems, tandem axle trailers with 18" wheels and diamond plate, and a 60 second fill/empty ballast system for $49k for the 21' and $55k for the 23'. Good luck finding a Tige Z3 for under $85k, seems they are going loaded for $95k. Guess we can always look out for a demo or leftover year model...lol. I think the Mojo with a couple tweaks in the interior design will be a great boat for Moomba. However, it does leave you with that deluxe Bayliner interior feel with all that flat interior fiberglass and aweful dash.

you da man
01-15-2012, 09:41 PM
Couldn't agree more! I've loved that boat since it came out. What is the price point of the mxz?

I believe it's mid-$80k range for pretty much all options.

mmandley
01-15-2012, 10:54 PM
@ You Da Man, i agree with you on the MB boat for sure, Ive met the owner of those boats back when they sold thew AWS and before they were shifted to the Master Craft dealer. They are sweet boats, my concern with them still is the surf wave. I havnt really seen or herd to much good about the surf wave.

I wish i could recall the name of the Tige 23.8fter they had at the show but it was completly loaded and 80K. Tige and Supreme are pretty high on my list mainly because they are both Surf focused companies. They have great wake board wakes but there hulls are designed with Surfing being there primary market.

rdlangston13
01-15-2012, 11:25 PM
The best wave I ever surfed was behind a MB F21. When Heidi was surfing behind it the wave was abou shoulder height on her when she was at the bottom. Tons of push. Our buddy who owns it primarily surfs and he gets up on the board like an ocean start. Starts on his belly, tosses he rope and then jumps up on the board

you da man
01-16-2012, 12:07 AM
The best wave I ever surfed was behind a MB F21. When Heidi was surfing behind it the wave was abou shoulder height on her when she was at the bottom. Tons of push. Our buddy who owns it primarily surfs and he gets up on the board like an ocean start. Starts on his belly, tosses he rope and then jumps up on the board

David, the MB F21 does have a pretty sick wave, especially for a 21 footer that has the interior cabin space of a 22-23 foot boat. There's video/pics of the MB TWB 23' stock and slammed. They were doing airs on the stock wave and the pocket was pretty long to butter the board 2-3 times before launching. The pics of the slammed MB 23 TWB wave was stupid big and the pocket was very long. They guys on the MB forum are saying both sides of the surf wake are good in the newer boats but slightly favors the goofy side. I'm test driving the 23 TWB next weekend myself. mmandley, the Tige model you are referring to is probably either the 24ve, RZ4, or the new Z3. The Z3 is their new surf boat and the pocket is crazy long on it.

bergermaister
01-16-2012, 12:19 AM
Couldn't agree more! I've loved that boat since it came out. What is the price point of the mxz?

Cha-ching...

http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k414/grberglund/pdxboatshow12/P1080682.jpg

Cha-ching...

http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k414/grberglund/pdxboatshow12/P1080700.jpg

mmandley
01-16-2012, 12:49 AM
@You Da Man, yea musta been the Z3 and iw as looking for the RZ4 and it wasnt there, this was the biggest one that had. It was a sweet boat. Ill have to look into the F21 for Surf pics, just havnt herd a lot about them LOL

wolfeman131
01-16-2012, 07:39 AM
Berg, nice shots of the price placards. It was interesting at the Atlanta show to get the questions, "does that price include the trailer?" and "how much is freight and prep?"

Atlanta Marine included both in their price and other dealers were posting prices without these items. Tricky way to post a low price IMO and a big reason I'm not switching from a SC brand. I figure if they are that blatant on tangible items (ah, dude, where's my trailer?) then what are they sneaking by me in the service bay?!?!

bergermaister
01-16-2012, 08:44 AM
Definitely gotta ask A LOT of questions if you're a first time buyer and don't really know the difference between towers, options, etc. None of the sales guys seemed too slimy to me - in years past that hasn't always been the case. The MC guys used to come off as real arrogant a-holes but were actually pretty cool this time. The AWS guys are always cool.


I was actually a little surprised to not see Exile or Wakemakers representin' since they are both local. I understand Brian was down at the CES show but was really hoping/expecting to see one of them there.

mmandley
01-16-2012, 09:04 AM
Definitely gotta ask A LOT of questions if you're a first time buyer and don't really know the difference between towers, options, etc. None of the sales guys seemed too slimy to me - in years past that hasn't always been the case. The MC guys used to come off as real arrogant a-holes but were actually pretty cool this time. The AWS guys are always cool.


I was actually a little surprised to not see Exile or Wakemakers representin' since they are both local. I understand Brian was down at the CES show but was really hoping/expecting to see one of them there.

Exile doesnt do the boat show.
1 Brain was out of town lol.
2 Sampson is at the boat show and Sampson is Exile at the boat show. As i understand it Sampson is the big name for OEM boat tower speakers, this is the name you see on MC, Malibu, and many others. Sampson and Exile are basically sister companies, Sampson owns the clamp design, Exile owns the paensts to the 360 rotation and the speakers them selves if i recall correctly. Been a while since i spoke on this topic lol.

I have asked Brain several times about the show and this is what he explains to me as while Exile doesnt do a booth.

As for Wakemakers IDK why they dont do a booth. Id assume its because they dont feel they need to with all the work they do already online and such, IDK lol.

I can say i was very disapointed there wasnt or isnt more companies that have booths. I was really hopping to see Wake Boards, Surf Boards, all types of speakers and such. Really nothing of the sort at the Portand Boat show.

I will be attending the Seattle Boat show on the 28th. Or at least that is the plan. I will post pics of that one as well and see what the difference is, other then its 3xs the size of the Portland show.

KG's Supra24
01-16-2012, 09:58 AM
Nice pics guys!! I think most of my opinions have already been mentioned.

Drew keeps on moving my curiosity along one line at a time ... yea, I saw that hint.

sled - 1
01-16-2012, 09:20 PM
A big part of my business used to be building booths for trade shows like the "International builders show" and "KBIS" and such. I even got to dabble with a big company doing builds for trade shows in Dubai. Bottom line is booth space is expensive and the market just isn't there. Sucks I know but it's how it is for now. I think in about 3 - 5 yrs you'll get to see more.

Big M, thanks for throwing me a bone on the ski boat. It is supposed to be a dead market, but on my lake there are 3 or 4 V drives and about 15 - 20 DD ski boats, go figure.

As far as price points on boats out there you had to figure some one was going to figure out SC Moomba model sooner or later, and as always the grass isn't necessarily greener on the other side :)

Canuckle Head
01-17-2012, 02:33 AM
No Axis pics? :(

mmandley
01-17-2012, 04:30 AM
No Axis pics? :(

Just for you brutha
http://i639.photobucket.com/albums/uu114/mmandley/DSC_0390.jpg
http://i639.photobucket.com/albums/uu114/mmandley/DSC_0391.jpg

bergermaister
01-17-2012, 09:09 AM
Yup - only had a couple though...

http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k414/grberglund/pdxboatshow12/P1080800.jpg

http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k414/grberglund/pdxboatshow12/P1080802.jpg

http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k414/grberglund/pdxboatshow12/P1080801.jpg

mmandley
01-17-2012, 09:31 AM
Yea since we went Friday night we only had about 2.5 hours to view as much as possible so i used the time to talk to Pavati and AWS about the MoJo and only took pics of things i dont see to often. Would have liked to take more but as for the Malibu, Nautique, Axis, and Moomba i got tons from Evening with the Stars so i didnt focus on those brands. I should have taken more pics of the Tige, Supreme, and MBs but by that time we were less then an hour and i just wanted to get to see them all LOL. When we goto the Seattle Show in a couple weeks ill get you lots more pics LOL.

newty
01-17-2012, 12:57 PM
Got 180K burning a hole in your wallet? Want a Ferrari on the water? Heres it is. Personally id take the car, same byself 50K lol.

http://i639.photobucket.com/albums/uu114/mmandley/DSC_0409.jpg

One would think that if you paid 179K for a boat it would go faster than 85mph. Truley a big penis extention otherwise.
I would much rather have the Nordic with the Ilmore V-10 @ 125k and 125mph.


http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k414/grberglund/pdxboatshow12/P1080679.jpg
Really Berg... Shorts?!? Freaking 30 degrees outside! Is that the "Blue Steel" look you doing there?

The Pavati Guy told us the ballast is complete and they went with the rv gate system that floods in less than a minute. That was why there were big welded holes in the transom. He also told us that Centurion offered to buy the rights and that boat before the show opened. He gloated that he would have to think about it. I would imagine that will be the only boat of that type they build. He said the boat was an incredible amout of work. I just cant see the margine with all the man hours that it takes to build something of that size.

My take on the boat show as far as wakeboats... 2 trips by the way. had to make sure I didn't miss anything. lol
Active had a great display, guys were great, huge display of boards, skis all the goodies. Really the only pro shop there.
Supra line is always impressive. The 22 with the new interior was sweet. The towers are still one of the best liiking out here.
The Mojo was good, not great but good. Needs work on the interior. Like the depth of the hull, lockers, cooler, better vinyl heavier padding in the seats, stand alone driver seat with pedestal, snap carpet. Didn't the dash (both sides) the instrument cluster, glove box, rear seat, openings between the seats in the bow, the shape of the bow, and the price. Like Mike said very bayliner feeling and unfinished. The rest of the Moomba line is largely unchanged with the exception of the tooth pick sized towers that hit me at the bridge of my nose standing next to them. I'm 6' and can stand under my Z-5 in my boat.
Malibus are very impressive as usual. The MXZ is bad to the bone. Crazy prices though.
Nautique had some great looking boats especially the 200 DD. Not crazy about the towers or graphics. Prices crazy expensive.
Centurion... 1 boat, lame booth, didn't even bother looking.
Tige had a lot of nice boats. Realy liking the design of the newer Z series. Not crazy about the towers but over all a great boat.
Mastercraft with the aluminum slab they call a tower was just retarded. I love the functionality of them but plain ugly. Great looking boats but waaaay to much bling and the prices are laughable.
Supremes have really stepped up. The 226 seems to be a great boat with a lot of nice options and and they look good.
MB will likely be my next boat. Great build quality, nice tower, interior is huge, "less is more dash" snap in carpet option, just a well thought out boat at a really great price. The one dislike is the rear locker size. Its a little small for my taste, coming from the coffin size lockers I have on my LSV, but the infloor ballast is sweet and negates the need for that much storage space. I did hear they are doing away with the 23 tomcat and widebody, and building a new 24' widebody. The wake is mackin on the whole line for both surf and wake. They also handle great. They have also been experimenting with a 20x16 prop. Mike said they did a a little mod to the bottom of the hull to accomodate the upgrade and he said it awesome. His words were "it was like a diesel, pull 4k of ballast and a boat full of people up to plane in seconds and would cruise (same conditions) at 36-38mph @ mid 4000rpm, topping out at 42-44ish depending on conditions". He said his pro guy used it all summer and absolutely loved it. Thats a HUGE prop and I would imagine quite expensive to replace. The only other downside to MB here in the NW is the dealer, hey can be pretty shady.

My pics for favorite boat would be:
MB 21 widebody/Tomcat beacuse I can actually afford and justify spending that much with our limited season,
Axis would be a distant second for the same reasons.
Supra 21 or 22 for the step up in price and to keep my current dealer,
Malibu VLX or MXZ if money was not an option and to keep my current dealer.

Of course this is all my opinion and many of my opinons are based off the tower and how they look on the boat. I love the tower on my boat and can't stand the new foward swooping towers (with the exception of the malibu).

bergermaister
01-17-2012, 04:04 PM
Of course this is all my opinion and many of my opinons are based off the tower and how they look on the boat

And BEER. You forgot- based on the quantity of beer consumed...

Canuckle Head
01-17-2012, 08:35 PM
MB will likely be my next boat. Great build quality, nice tower, interior is huge, "less is more dash" snap in carpet option, just a well thought out boat at a really great price. The one dislike is the rear locker size. Its a little small for my taste, coming from the coffin size lockers I have on my LSV, but the infloor ballast is sweet and negates the need for that much storage space. I did hear they are doing away with the 23 tomcat and widebody, and building a new 24' widebody. The wake is mackin on the whole line for both surf and wake. They also handle great. They have also been experimenting with a 20x16 prop. Mike said they did a a little mod to the bottom of the hull to accomodate the upgrade and he said it awesome. His words were "it was like a diesel, pull 4k of ballast and a boat full of people up to plane in seconds and would cruise (same conditions) at 36-38mph @ mid 4000rpm, topping out at 42-44ish depending on conditions". He said his pro guy used it all summer and absolutely loved it. Thats a HUGE prop and I would imagine quite expensive to replace. The only other downside to MB here in the NW is the dealer, hey can be pretty shady.

I hear ya. I was totally bummed that MB pulled the line from AWS and gave it to that guy. I love MB but would not want to deal at that place.

Oh and thanks for the Axis pics guys! I've seen them before from the Evening with the Stars but thought maybe they'd have something new.

Anyone have some MB pics?

mmandley
01-17-2012, 08:43 PM
As i understood it MB pulled out from AWS not AWS kicked them out. MB wasnt getting the representation they needed for the boat sales. Supra was being pushed much harder at that price point. The good thing is you can still use AWS for MB work as i understand it.

I agree with Newty on everything

you da man
01-17-2012, 09:35 PM
Anyone have some MB pics?

Here's the one I have my eye on

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u197/seeajgo/828713_x640_03.jpg
http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u197/seeajgo/828713_x640_11.jpg
http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u197/seeajgo/828713_x640_09.jpg
http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u197/seeajgo/828713_x640_20.jpg

jmvotto
01-17-2012, 10:48 PM
Here's the one I have my eye on

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u197/seeajgo/828713_x640_03.jpg
http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u197/seeajgo/828713_x640_11.jpg
http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u197/seeajgo/828713_x640_09.jpg
http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u197/seeajgo/828713_x640_20.jpg

Thought the a22 was da bomb, switching already. Hehe just teasing sharp looking boat.it ain't no Moomba though.

you da man
01-17-2012, 10:54 PM
Thought the a22 was da bomb, switching already. Hehe just teasing sharp looking boat.it ain't no Moomba though.

Knees are starting to give me problems. Just walking the day or two after even just one long set (45min-hour) hurts bad. Probably need to go towards surfing with a little wakeboarding. The Axis is definitely a wakeboard boat with an "okay" recreational surf wake. Still happy with the boat...I'm just needing to another route in the next season or two. Plus, my lady friend is really getting good at surfing (did her first couple of airs off the lip at the end of the season) and I would like to encourage her to continue to advance. I'll need a much better surf wake for her to get to her potential

Canuckle Head
01-17-2012, 11:48 PM
Is that the 21 or the 23?

mmandley
01-17-2012, 11:59 PM
Is that the 21 or the 23?

Not positive but it looks like the 23 from the interior laylout

you da man
01-18-2012, 06:51 AM
Is that the 21 or the 23?

23 widebody

KSmith
01-18-2012, 07:27 AM
My God In Heavan say it ain't so but that white Axis is missing the bow speakers...

wolfeman131
01-18-2012, 07:33 AM
My God In Heavan say it ain't so but that white Axis is missing the bow speakers...

Oh my, how could they?!?

nice catch.

you da man
01-18-2012, 08:57 AM
My God In Heavan say it ain't so but that white Axis is missing the bow speakers...

That was the first thing I noticed...looks stupid.

viking
01-20-2012, 11:10 PM
Here's the one I have my eye on


Let us know when you put both eye's on it (and the cash-o-la)!
Great looking boat!!

E4NASH
01-21-2012, 08:43 AM
MB will likely be my next boat. Great build quality, nice tower, interior is huge, "less is more dash" snap in carpet option, just a well thought out boat at a really great price...

This!

A MB 21WB Classic will be coming my way before too long!

Loved my Moomba and Moomba is a great boat but for what we want and how we use our boat the MB 21WB is the best boat for our money...period.

*edit*...The "snap in" carpet is not an option it is STANDARD and its not really snap in it's magnetic. That is one of the great things I love about MB boats most of the things that are options on other boats come STANDARD on a MB.

bzubke1
01-21-2012, 10:22 AM
Check out texas mastercraft's Facebook page they have some really nice looking mb's right now. I saw on one of their facebook pics they had a price of 49,999 for the f21 tomcats.
@youdaman Did you go down to hula hut to check out the mb's at all? They took a bunch down there for demos this weekend.

you da man
01-21-2012, 02:12 PM
Check out texas mastercraft's Facebook page they have some really nice looking mb's right now. I saw on one of their facebook pics they had a price of 49,999 for the f21 tomcats.
@youdaman Did you go down to hula hut to check out the mb's at all? They took a bunch down there for demos this weekend.

Yes sir I did. One word to describe them...incredible. Standard features: two triple (2 wake, 1 surf) swivel racks, Zero-Off GPS speed control, magnetic carpet, pop-up ski pole, Wetsounds stereo, 60 sec ballast system, 343hp PCM engine, graphics in the gelcoat, pimped out tandem trailer with 18" wheels and diamond plate, and interior patterns/textures/colors at the customers choice. The ride of the boat was so butter smooth through the minefield of rollers on Lake Austin. Both sides of the surf wake are great. Imagine, going surfing in 60 seconds to fill the ballast.

E4NASH
01-21-2012, 04:30 PM
Yes sir I did. One word to describe them...incredible. Standard features: two triple (2 wake, 1 surf) swivel racks, Zero-Off GPS speed control, magnetic carpet, pop-up ski pole, Wetsounds stereo, 60 sec ballast system, 343hp PCM engine, graphics in the gelcoat, pimped out tandem trailer with 18" wheels and diamond plate, and interior patterns/textures/colors at the customers choice. The ride of the boat was so butter smooth through the minefield of rollers on Lake Austin. Both sides of the surf wake are great. Imagine, going surfing in 60 seconds to fill the ballast.

Perfection is what that is...


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wolfeman131
01-21-2012, 04:48 PM
Perfection is what that is

Sorry, but there is no such thing. Just one example:

http://mbboatowners.com/index.php?option=com_kunena&func=view&catid=2&id=6077&Itemid=179

you da man
01-21-2012, 05:02 PM
Sorry, but there is no such thing. Just one example:

http://mbboatowners.com/index.php?option=com_kunena&func=view&catid=2&id=6077&Itemid=179

That was my #1 complaint about my XLV, tower sway and the squeaking sound it made. Also, my windshield and/or frame made a God awful cracking sound (like when a pebble hits your car windshield) when going through chop or squarely into rollers

wolfeman131
01-21-2012, 05:43 PM
Good thing you now have a boat that doesn't have a real windshield.

you da man
01-21-2012, 06:02 PM
Good thing you now have a boat that doesn't have a real windshield.
Yeh, I like that's it's 3 flat pieces. I got so used to not having side glass that this summer I drove a couple boats with traditional windshields and the distortion in the curved areas of the glass drove me crazy. Plus having to standup to talk to a down rider gets old with a traditional windshield. I'll miss that windshield once I go back to traditional with a new boat

moombadaze
01-21-2012, 08:04 PM
man I must be getting old, Cant stand the look of so many boats. That green aluminum jet boats looks so much better than most wakeboard boats out now-nautique and axis especially. Cant even mention how bad mastercraft has gotten-and I used to own one too.

you da man
01-21-2012, 09:41 PM
man I must be getting old, Cant stand the look of so many boats. That green aluminum jet boats looks so much better than most wakeboard boats out now-nautique and axis especially. Cant even mention how bad mastercraft has gotten-and I used to own one too.

I think the availability of traditional, plain Jane wakeboats are declining with manufacturers going with more aggressive or "stylish" designs and features (stylish being different to everyone's interpretation or taste). Pickle-fork bows, sculpted towers, touchscreens, etc.

jmvotto
01-22-2012, 08:34 AM
I think the availability of traditional, plain Jane wakeboats are declining with manufacturers going with more aggressive or "stylish" designs and features (stylish being different to everyone's interpretation or taste). Pickle-fork bows, sculpted towers, touchscreens, etc.


I think this phenom will be a short lived cycle within the boating industry. We always seem to over do it them come back to classic styling. I think the tech improvement will stay, but the styles will drift back to a norm.



Tri hulls did not last too long in the 70 and 80's, you may argue they are back, just like skinny jeans from that era.
we used to have a tri hull chriscraft. No pickle forks in their new line up.
http://www.chriscraft.com/


Ford Taurus moon mobile have morphed into classic styling. Where the heck I the Pontiac Aztec ?

Heck I have a columbia green purple and pink ski outfit in the basement that was all the rage in the early 90's lol.,
Now some of those colors are coming back, but it will be short lived. I looked like the green lantern. Lol
My.03

KG's Supra24
01-22-2012, 09:45 AM
I'm interested to see what the "best" boat is next year. I don't want to take anything away from MB because they seem like nice boats (never been in one) but they are the internet (wakeworld) craze right now. Which, I'm fairly certain, wakeworld is fed with alot of brand pushers.

Last year it was Axis, this year it is MB, what will next year hold? I'm not sure if it's always like this as this is my 2nd year "being into" the wake scene but I've found it interesting thus far. Axis isn't near as "cool" as it was this time last year, MB has that spot right now and I'm guessing someone else will have it next year.

As far as styling goes I love the classic wakeboat look. The only company getting the picklefork right is Tige IMO, maybe Bu but that thing looks a little batmobile. The MB is bloated and leaves alot to be desired from a sleekness sytlish hull standpoint.

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dusty2221
01-22-2012, 10:29 AM
If I could swing it, I would be pulling the supra down to trade in on the f23. I hopping they are at the Dallas boat show in a few weeks. Might even discuss trade numbers to see how far away I am.

The pickle fork bow, like mentioned, isn't the sharpest of the pf boats out, but the rest of the boat makes it a non issue IMO

you da man
01-22-2012, 11:14 AM
If I could swing it, I would be pulling the supra down to trade in on the f23. I hopping they are at the Dallas boat show in a few weeks. Might even discuss trade numbers to see how far away I am.

The pickle fork bow, like mentioned, isn't the sharpest of the pf boats out, but the rest of the boat makes it a non issue IMO

For the Austin boat show MB had their boats on the water to demo. That's probably because the water is only 5 min from the boat show. They even let a few people bring their wakeboards for a demo set and everyone was raving about the wake (not that you couldn't see how good the wake is). I'm sure they will be at the Dallas show, doubt they will be on the water though.

you da man
01-22-2012, 11:31 AM
I think this phenom will be a short lived cycle within the boating industry. We always seem to over do it them come back to classic styling. I think the tech improvement will stay, but the styles will drift back to a norm.



Tri hulls did not last too long in the 70 and 80's, you may argue they are back, just like skinny jeans from that era.
we used to have a tri hull chriscraft. No pickle forks in their new line up.
http://www.chriscraft.com/


Ford Taurus moon mobile have morphed into classic styling. Where the heck I the Pontiac Aztec ?

Heck I have a columbia green purple and pink ski outfit in the basement that was all the rage in the early 90's lol.,
Now some of those colors are coming back, but it will be short lived. I looked like the green lantern. Lol
My.03

I think the picklefork bow will be around a long time but will there be as many models available...maybe not. Seems like most of MC's boats are pickleforks now, I could see Tige dropping the RZ4 as the new Z3 is out along with it's big 24Ve. Axis has been a picklefork company from the start so as long as there is an Axis there will be pickleforks. As for Malibu, seems like everyone is liking the wake on their picklefork boat but who knows. As for as styling goes, I don't think picklefork boats will disappear but the style of more flowing lines/contours (like Supra, Centurion, and Nautique), integrated seats on the transom, etc...will increase.

The Pontiac Aztec was just a bad idea...lol. I think the Smart Car will be short lived.

E4NASH
01-22-2012, 08:21 PM
Sorry, but there is no such thing. Just one example:

http://mbboatowners.com/index.php?option=com_kunena&func=view&catid=2&id=6077&Itemid=179

Don't hate! :-D


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wolfeman131
01-22-2012, 08:54 PM
I'm not hating. I'm just trying to help all of you that have been drinking the MB kool aid.

501
01-22-2012, 09:13 PM
Have you actually sat or rode in an MB?

Plus that thread is about towers on an 05 (7 year old boat). I'm sure the moomba of 05 are different then 2012s. I'm just pointing that out. I love my xlv but you have to try pretty hard to find weaknesses in the current mb's. Biggest weakness IMO is their company size and brand recognition.

wolfeman131
01-22-2012, 09:20 PM
Levi, if you are asking me, yes, I spent a day riding in and surfing behind a F21 last year.

you da man
01-22-2012, 09:42 PM
I think Moomba and MB will have a great 2012. Moomba for having released the Mojo (potential surf boat and roominess) and cleaner look/graphics on existing models. MB for quality, the wake (surf and wb), plushness (is that a word...lol), standard features, gravity ballast, and best $ for $ boat and loaded trailer package.

Mobius22
01-22-2012, 10:30 PM
Moomba and MB won't directly compete much I don't think, MB is west coast primarily and Moomba is more eastern. Both are national brands but I just went to the Birmingham show and MB's booth was not getting much traffic at all and Moomba's was full. Just my $.02. I don't know much about MB's new ballast but usually if something is too good to be true (60 second fill and drain with 1800 pounds) then it probably is. The ones I looked at in Birmingham didn't really do it for me styling wise, too many X's etc

mmandley
01-22-2012, 10:35 PM
Moomba and MB won't directly compete much I don't think, MB is west coast primarily and Moomba is more eastern. Both are national brands but I just went to the Birmingham show and MB's booth was not getting much traffic at all and Moomba's was full. Just my $.02. I don't know much about MB's new ballast but usually if something is too good to be true (60 second fill and drain with 1800 pounds) then it probably is. The ones I looked at in Birmingham didn't really do it for me styling wise, too many X's etc

MB is a West Coast thing, but theyhave had there gate valve system since they at least 08 when i got to know them> its a proven system. The only real issue i think is now when you cross state lines and get inspected you have to prove, or they inspect the tanks for the evasive speices thing. Having a bag system is sweet in you remove the bags, then open the lockers and say look no ballast system is hooked up LOL. IDK about other areas but when you cross from OR to Cali they do inspect boats. Thats about all i gotta say about that LOL.

deerfield
01-22-2012, 11:27 PM
MB is west coast primarily and Moomba is more eastern.



Took this picture of dealer locations when visiting Skiers Choice about a year ago. In general, there are fewer dealers in the west. Most dealers are central and eastern parts of the country.