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Elevated1
02-19-2012, 02:44 PM
I have a 2008 outback. Boat is in storage, and was looking for a measurement from bottom of tower(radi cage)to top of open bimini(factory). I want to put a single pair of tower speakers on my tower and want the largest I can get under the tower. I am shooting for xm9's or rev 10s.

Thanks for the help

Brianinpdx
02-19-2012, 09:34 PM
Elevated - On the Exile's yes you can indeed fit them. I'm not sure about the ws as it is a considerably bigger enclosure. The most important issue you have is the weight associated with speakers on your 1 5/8 diameter tower. It is not as stout as the LSV tower.

The XM9 is on the higher side of my comfort level. I definitely would not hang 2 pair on there. All the XM products include the neoprene covers , quick disconnects and 2 year warranty. If you do go the XM9 route, hit me up and we can con net you to a local dealer for installation or go over amplifier configurations and tuning tips for the DIY install.

-Brian
Exile Audio

KG's Supra24
02-20-2012, 12:18 AM
The rev10 are going to hang low, likely lower than the bimini. They hang just lower than my z5.

You might be able to find hang height measurements online?

Also, Brian brings up a good concern on weight.

Remember when comparing size, the xm9 and rev8 are the comparables, both 8".

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Razzman
02-20-2012, 08:18 PM
The Z5 typically sits a lot higher than a stock factory bimini. I know that when I had my factory unit I could have easily hung XM9's no problem. But I will say this too, many owners and dealers have modified theirs to sit higher, the OP needs to measure HIS clearance and not rely on someone else's.

I too would be wary of hanging XM9's on an 1 5/8" tower. If It was mine i would be more apt to go with XM7's or SXT65's in that circumstance.

MLA
02-20-2012, 09:09 PM
Remember when comparing size, the xm9 and rev8 are the comparables, both 8".


And the REV-8 it is an enclosure that is comparable to the Wet Sounds Pro60 pod. The Rev-10 enclosure has a hang height that is just a little more then the Pro-80.

Elevated1
02-20-2012, 09:11 PM
I wanted to get both projection, and sound quality. Thought bigger would be better for both. I sent you a message Brian, and I am open to other suggestions.

Thanks

wetsounds1
02-20-2012, 09:35 PM
Elevated,

Shoot me an email to twhite@wetsounds.com and let me know where your located at. I'll be happy to find someone close to you. So you can hear and see for yourself.

The Wet Sounds REV 8 would be smaller than Other 8 inch HLCD speakers so that might be something
that would work well for you.

Tim
Wet Sounds

Elevated1
02-20-2012, 10:05 PM
Thanks Tim, email sent.

Mike

Brianinpdx
02-21-2012, 06:54 PM
Mike - Stepping into a bigger speaker is going to give you more bottom end that smaller sized speakers cannot. The XM9 is 10mm bigger than the REV8 cone/surround wise, and has a bigger enclosure displacement as well. It's not an 8" speaker by conventional We do not use any off the shelf basket, cone or surrounds in it. It's design varies greatly from the XM7 which had a more traditional approach.

In your situation, its all going to come down to weight on your tower my friend.. and how much you feel comfortable putting up there. I did some quick speaker only weights.

XM7 weigh 19.30 lbs
XM9 weigh 21.80 lbs
REV8 weigh 26.20 lbs
I'm not sure what Rev10's weigh

Clamps on all those speakers will add more.

Acoustically either the exile or ws products will get great sound out to your rider. There's no doubting that.

-Brian
Exile Audio

MLA
02-22-2012, 08:36 PM
Mike - Stepping into a bigger speaker is going to give you more bottom end that smaller sized speakers cannot. The XM9 is 10mm bigger than the REV8 cone/surround wise, and has a bigger enclosure displacement as well. It's not an 8" speaker by conventional We do not use any off the shelf basket, cone or surrounds in it. It's design varies greatly from the XM7 which had a more traditional approach.

In your situation, its all going to come down to weight on your tower my friend.. and how much you feel comfortable putting up there. I did some quick speaker only weights.

XM7 weigh 19.30 lbs
XM9 weigh 21.80 lbs
REV8 weigh 26.20 lbs
I'm not sure what Rev10's weigh

Clamps on all those speakers will add more.

Acoustically either the exile or ws products will get great sound out to your rider. There's no doubting that.

-Brian
Exile Audio

Brian

Can you clear up some confusion for us? You state that you folks at Exile have your own method of measuring things, in your words "It's not an 8" speaker by conventional ". For the average consumer, the only way we have to compare and measure product "A" to product "B" is to use a conventional means. Can you provide some sort of conversion chart, or at least an explanation of how the XM9 is 10MM larger, measured by the Exile method, then another 8" speaker that is measured in a means that is used to measure just about every other speaker?

Also, I assume you disassembled a REV-8 and measured it. What method did you use, conventional or your way? If the XM9 measured your way, come up 3/8" larger then the REV-8 measured conventionally, then how is that a fair statement to say that the XM9 is larger? Would you be willing to post a picture of the XM9 with a ruler stretched across, and let the readers make up their own minds on whether its an 8" or 8-3/8" speaker.

Here's how it plays out; If car maker ABC states that their sports car tops out at 150mph and XYZ states theirs tops out at 175mph, but then state they use a non-conventional means to measure MPH. As a potential consumer, how is one to accurately compare the two, when XYZ uses a method that NO ONE else does to calibrate their speedometer?

EarmarkMarine
02-22-2012, 09:48 PM
I think its more of a problem anytime when one brand comments on another brand's product. Its just in very bad taste and appears a little deperate to control the perception. Plus, in being part of the forums for years now I have found that one brand knows very little about the other brands product and what actually makes it tick.
The effective piston diameter of speaker is measured from the very center of the surround to surround. Then this is converted to a surface area via a simple formula.
I can confirm that the Exile XM9 has an outer diameter of an additional 3/8" over the Wetsounds REV8. This equates to 12 percent more surface area which might translate to as much as a 0.3 dB increase in output. Now a difference of 1.0 dB is the minimum that a human can discern in an ideal 'quiet' room let alone an environment that is windy and filled with ambient noise. So once this difference is actually put into context you can better judge whether that fine of a distinction makes a difference or not. Personally I wouldn't exactly hang my hat on it.

David
Earmark Marine

Brianinpdx
02-24-2012, 05:29 PM
@MLA - To be clear, I didn't state "we have our own way of measuring things.....". I scanned up the thread and the only one that says that is you friend. It's pretty straight forward, and scientific. Use a standard pair of calipers and measure the speaker. Case closed.

To expand on the word conventional... (Maybe this is where your confusion came from), many tower speaker products on the market are are standard speakers, mounted in enclosures and attached to a tower with a simple collar. The pro axial version of that would be a pro audio speaker mounted in an enclosure and attached to the tower. The XM9 is the first speaker on the market (that I'm aware of) that leaves the realm of conventional tower speaker design behind. Yes it has all the standard parts (cone, surround, magnet etc) but each one is unique in that we went to the effort to tool each individual part so we could integrate it into an enclosure with no basket--to reduce enclosure size. In simple terms what Im' saying its 100% our own design--every single part. This is an expensive proposition (read lots of tooling), but it also comes with benefits. By taking this approach it allows us to put a bigger speaker in a smaller enclosure and ensure better control of how all parts assemble. And disassemble for that matter.

There is a limit to how how small enclosure displacement can be. Acoustically we electronically modeled and rapid prototyped 3 different options. In the end, we opted for what you know as the XM9. Increased mid bass punch (smaller physical enclosure) rather than low end bass extension (bigger physical enclosure). Response from the riders has been fantastic. XM9 is a home run in my book and achieves everything we intended in it. Now if we could just figure out how to mold a bottle opener into it.... :>

Hope that clears up your confusion.

-Brian
Exile Audio

Elevated1
03-25-2012, 01:53 PM
I got the boat home and took measurements. The rev 10's will fit between the bimini top. So now for the tuff decision. Xm9's or Rev 10's. I have to email Tim for the weight of the rev 10's. I know they will be heavy, but I never fold the tower. I have no doubt that both exile and wetsounds have exceptional equipment, it just comes down to preference. Im waiting for the local dealer to get a boat in with the rev 10's on it so I can hear it. Im also hoping that Ian Ashton will get his xm9 install done, and let a gratefull moomba owner come over for a listen. (I would bring beer of course.) If you have either of these speakers installed I would love some feedback. Im getting excited and really want to pull the trigger on the speakers. Once again thanks Tim, and Brian for the help, both companies have excellent customer service, and have nothing but good things to say about each others products.

Mike