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wolfeman131
07-24-2012, 09:04 AM
Finally got to see it live yesterday. First impression: WOW! Boat looks massive now with the added freeboard. In a word, it has been "mojo-ized."

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wolfeman131
07-24-2012, 09:06 AM
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wolfeman131
07-24-2012, 09:07 AM
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wolfeman131
07-24-2012, 09:09 AM
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ga-lsv05
07-24-2012, 09:09 AM
Sweet!

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wolfeman131
07-24-2012, 09:14 AM
Sweet!

Yes, it is! Comes ready to rock & roll. The '06 LSV was dubbed "lightning in a bottle" and, I beliee, SC has done it again! The updates are fantastic. Stock ballast is a 450 hard tank in the center like the Mojo and 650 bags in the rear. Reversible pumps with dash mounted switches. Carpet gone from the locker floors like the Mojo. Battery moved like the Mojo. Flip up vs out observers seat like the Mojo.

ChrisK
07-24-2012, 09:15 AM
Still not a fan of that graphics package but very cool looking boat, I love models that have a seat for you on the transom for when you're getting ready to ride.

ga-lsv05
07-24-2012, 09:19 AM
How many options as far as color and graphics will there be?

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wolfeman131
07-24-2012, 09:20 AM
I have a ton of pics on my phone too, from crawling around the actual boat, but didn't have time to get those uploaded. Will do my best to get to those today using tapatalk.

Other sweet new features: no built in cooler. You get an awesome soft-side cooler that you can then store wherever you want. This also opens up the rear seat areas for more ballast! The new swivel racks are awesome! Made by Skylon, they don't have the dumb pin like mine, rather a knob you lift to then rotate the rack. The tension is adjustable, too so you can change the amount of force it takes to spin the rack. And, best of all, they won't hit your tower!

For you stereo upgrade nuts, it has the built in amp board w/ distro block, etc. like the Mojo and more space to work as the battery was moved back to be under the first seat in the port side.

wolfeman131
07-24-2012, 09:24 AM
How many options as far as color and graphics will there be?

Unfortunately, today is the day they review Moomba at the meeting and I'm on a plane. :(

I was given some extra special lovin' and allowed to see the LSV early. I basically wore out RT with my bitching and moaning as well as sending veiled threats about farting in the Supra meeting.

I know they updated some of the color choices and added a few new ones, too. I think you will be able to order the blur graphic or the chrome decals. Again, just like the Mojo. There will be several gel Oconee pattern options and one of the boats I looked at had 3 colors - white, black and the updated green. It looked awesome.

moombadaze
07-24-2012, 09:31 AM
looks even better in the water than on the trailer.
drivers seatbase-swivels?
no built incooler--aka the ice melter
snap in carpet
love the dash/gauges
I see what you mean about the steering wheel
Racks look great-your disription of operation sounds wonderfull
love the room behind the drivers seat for a portable cooler


love it, love it, love it.

Now I have couple of questions that we have talked about that can make the difference



This is the biggest question at this point:
Will it fit into a standard garage door height, cause if it wont fit I cant buy
figure dual axle, standard tires, spring axle

how much weight did it gain



lastly
how much can i sell my 08 for??????

wolfeman131
07-24-2012, 09:33 AM
Don't know the answers to your questions. Yet. I will inquire.

moombadaze
07-24-2012, 09:36 AM
no worries, I know we will find out

sandm
07-24-2012, 09:37 AM
will be interested to see more pics as you post them..
couple of quick observations:
no cooler is a great thing in my book. most I've seen don't hold enough to make it worth the lost space..
looks like the boat has a lot of added freeboard. surfing pics above show a decent wave with the rubrail still a ways from the water. I would bet that boat only has stock ballast. imagine what someone on here would/could do :)
interesting to see pics of where the battery(s) are now. personally liked them under the storage cubby and out of the way. someone needs to stuff the black wireloom up into the grommet on the speaker pic. looks unfinished(I know, probably a quick photoshoot miss on what is surely one of the first boats that have been crawled all over). I'm not sure I like the chrome grabhandles in the lounge. from the angle they are shot, looks like they hang out over the seat and would be in the way of people lounging or trying to sit there? only 650 in each corner so guessing no hard tank/bag like the new supra? still not a fan of the unfinished look under the back seat. looks like a catchall for dirt and hard to clean.
any pics of the lower transom? curious if it has the same shallow vee like the lsv or if they redid the entire hull and put a deeper vee on the rear to allow it to list over easier...

overall, first pics are very nice and I do really like the gauges. they are very classy.. snapout carpet and floor look first rate.. cabin looks roomy for a 21ft boat. got a beam on it yet?

moombadaze
07-24-2012, 09:45 AM
sandm,

one thing about the opening under the rear seat, makes a nice place to store life jackets out out of the way. I thought the same as you untill I was in Drews Mojo and we didnt have any life jackets on the floor for the different riders out for a surf session, kept the floor clutter free. Yes, I know we could have opened a rear hatch and put them in there but Ive never been out and had that happen in anyones boat.

wolfeman131
07-24-2012, 09:45 AM
You wrote that wrong: it should say what someone WILL do in regards to the ballast.

The battery is where it is on the Mojo. So, there is a lift off seat for the observer, then a smaller one which is where the battery is. It's a great location, IMO and more out of the way than behind the observers seat. Then there is a longer seat that continues back to the rear bench.

No, no under the floor tanks in the rear.

I too, did not like the look of that unfinished space, but I love the practicality of it in my boat. Doesn't collect dirt, nor is it hard to clean, but is a GREAT space for flip flops & jackets.

Yes, I have pics of the transom, but it is mostly unchanged from what I can tell.

sandm
07-24-2012, 10:04 AM
interesting to see more pics. overall, looks to be huge additions to what was a good boat to begin with and should enable dealers to tout a new product into the next year. pricepoint will determine it's success. interesting to see what a moderately equipped lsv will msrp for as compared to it's competition. having just shopped the mb, I see a lot of things on this boat that have it beat, with the ability to swap out ballast being one of the biggest ones..

imo, save your money on the chrome rubrail on that boat above. black the windows and a black rubrail with the black tower/windowframe would look amazing.....

ga-lsv05
07-24-2012, 10:08 AM
Engine options remain unchanged?

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wolfeman131
07-24-2012, 10:33 AM
Engine options are the same, as far as I know. The 330 will be plenty for most, the 345 a beast in that boat.

It comes standard with a ton of features like the Digital Cruise Pro and snap carpet and will remain a low-$50's boat.

kaneboats
07-24-2012, 10:46 AM
Sweet! I'm going to have to test drive one.

ga-lsv05
07-24-2012, 10:48 AM
Engine options are the same, as far as I know. The 330 will be plenty for most, the 345 a beast in that boat.

It comes standard with a ton of features like the Digital Cruise Pro and snap carpet and will remain a low-$50's boat.

How much is the 345 option? Or are we pestering you and we should just wait for one to show up at a dealer? :p

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wolfeman131
07-24-2012, 10:49 AM
Sweet! I'm going to have to test drive one.

Dont do it unless you are prepared to buy one. :)

moombadaze
07-24-2012, 10:50 AM
this thread has slowed my work production way down today

wolfeman131
07-24-2012, 10:50 AM
How much is the 345 option? Or are we pestering you and we should just wait for one to show up at a dealer? :p

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The 345 was a $1,800 MSRP upgrade for the Mojo. Don't know specifics for 2013, but would guess similar.

moombadaze
07-24-2012, 10:51 AM
Dont do it unless you are prepared to buy one. :)

what was that boat show date again--Jan 11-13th

ga-lsv05
07-24-2012, 10:54 AM
what was that boat show date again--Jan 11-13th

That's what I was told

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kaneboats
07-24-2012, 10:58 AM
what was that boat show date again--Jan 11-13th

We're going. No question.

vkkovach
07-24-2012, 11:01 AM
I love the exterior of this boat! But I'm not impressed with the interior, I feel it looks outdated. This is the reason I passed on the mojo with my current boat purchase it seems moomba took a step back to 2005 with interior refinement. I loved my 07 LSV and would have liked to stay in a moomba, hopefully when I'm back in the market again in a couple years things will have changed.

wolfeman131
07-24-2012, 11:05 AM
Outdated? Compared to what? SC is using the latest vinyl available from Syntec who is the industry provider, new gauge cluster, etc.

wolfeman131
07-24-2012, 11:09 AM
Scott, pic of battery location. That is the observers seat cushion to the right.

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vkkovach
07-24-2012, 11:17 AM
Outdated? Compared to what? SC is using the latest vinyl available from Syntec who is the industry provider, new gauge cluster, etc. first off let me say I'm not trying to bash the boat. I wish I had a picture to show what I'm talking about. My friend had a 2005 XLV and to me the seats had a very flat and square appearance, nothing fancy but got the job done. I had a 2007 LSV that felt more refined as far as interior quality it seemed as it had more detail in the way the cushions were designed etc.

The new interiors remind me of the older XLV kind of plain. I know this is a price point boat but I would be willing to pay a couple grand more for maybe an "upgraded" interior option.


Interior of my old boat for reference
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/socalmotocross/d2e9dd9b.jpg

wolfeman131
07-24-2012, 11:24 AM
The 2013 lineup. Outback V, LSV & Mojo

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Side by side with Mojo
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moombadaze
07-24-2012, 11:29 AM
i'm not a green boat guy, but dang, that one looks sweet

moombadaze
07-24-2012, 11:31 AM
2013 lineup--where is the outback ?

I know the XLV is done with

wolfeman131
07-24-2012, 11:52 AM
My mistake. It wasnt in line with the others.

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moombadaze
07-24-2012, 12:20 PM
Good, i was hopeing it was still in the lineup.

looks like the stripe has changed on the outback

moombadaze
07-24-2012, 12:24 PM
I feel it looks outdated.

Not to me. Love the simple uncluttered look.

ga-lsv05
07-24-2012, 12:25 PM
Same here I think it looks great

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moombadaze
07-24-2012, 12:31 PM
Drew, did you happen to lift the carpet up and was the floor panel one piece and hinge up like the Mojo's?

wolfeman131
07-24-2012, 12:56 PM
Of course I pulled up the carpet. I was all over that thing. Yes, it now has a hinged, one piece panel AND the access cover for the center drain is much improved. It sits more flush, seems more sturdy and is easier to pull/replace.

sandm
07-24-2012, 01:09 PM
Can't say that the battery location is better or worse. if there's enough room under the seat, will making a good surf wake benefit from an enzo sack and if so will the batteries be in the way? keeping in mind that at a minimum you have 2 and some have 3.

I like the green look. at first, I thought it would be a fad color, but it's been around for several years now in several boat lines and still looks good.

moombadaze
07-24-2012, 01:17 PM
Of course I pulled up the carpet. I was all over that thing

Just double checking

wolfeman131
07-24-2012, 02:40 PM
you all might like this, too

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLhVrJ9lqho&feature=plcp

jmvotto
07-24-2012, 02:41 PM
To me I like the interior look of the 07 to 12 line, glad they brought back the rounded seat. The 07 seat was the best around just needed a swivel option.

This looks like a mojo with the classic bow, real nice upgrades, but if this weighs as much as the mojo look out, some new lifts and tow vehicle may be in order.

I like the rear transom seat and the traditional bow of this new Lsv , plus the fixed ballast, that's cool

Not sure why one vs the other besides looks, pickle spork or traditional , yes the mojo is a foot bigger, but pricing looks to be similar.


The new supra is a game changer.....

volfo
07-24-2012, 03:08 PM
[QUOTE=jmvotto;187530]To me I like the interior look of the 07 to 12 line, glad they brought back the rounded seat. The 07 seat was the best around just needed a swivel option.

This looks like a mojo with the classic bow, real nice upgrades, but if this weighs as much as the mojo look out, some new lifts and tow vehicle may be in order.

I like the rear transom seat and the traditional bow of this new Lsv , plus the fixed ballast, that's cool

Not sure why one vs the other besides looks, pickle spork or traditional , yes the mojo is a foot bigger, but pricing looks to be similar.


I agree, this seems to be a nice upgrade to the LSV but the look of interior seems to have taken a small half-step back. Previously, the Mojo compared to the LSV as, to me, a bigger, more functional, but not quite as "pretty" and with not quite as nice as an interior as the LSV. Now they seem to be heading more in the same direction, and the biggest distinction may be pickle fork and slightly bigger (2" on beam and a foot on length) for the Mojo and traditional and a touch smaller for the LSV? There doesn't seem to be a ton of differentiation here to me. They are both awesome boats, just seem to have grown closer with the new LSV. There's a lot to like on the new LSV and will be a boat I will be considering . . . . but I also will now be comparing it with the Mojo as well as some other boats in or near that price range.

wolfeman131
07-24-2012, 03:19 PM
the Mojo compared to the LSV as, to me, a bigger, more functional, but not quite as "pretty" and with not quite as nice as an interior as the LSV.

I don't get this statement. Can you be more specific? What isn't "as nice?"

ga-lsv05
07-24-2012, 03:22 PM
I think he said the lsv has a nicer fit and finish:eek:
Mojo slam! Jk
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supremedevice
07-24-2012, 03:34 PM
Is there an official release on this yet? I'm guessing it will be a while before moomba.com updates, so I need specs and more info now!

*Throwing money at Moomba as I type

wolfeman131
07-24-2012, 03:46 PM
What more do you want?

I think official release is tomorrow.

ga-lsv05
07-24-2012, 03:59 PM
He means adding it.to the line up on the moomba web page

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ga-lsv05
07-24-2012, 04:00 PM
I'd like to play with the color options and such too

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supremedevice
07-24-2012, 04:15 PM
I guess I'm looking for specifics like weight, draft, width etc to compare with the 2012. I'd also like to see the difference in lower hull shape (if any). If official release is tomorrow, that's cool.

moombadaze
07-24-2012, 04:35 PM
Is it wrong to allready be looking at ballast upgrades like a IBS and surf bags ?

ga-lsv05
07-24-2012, 04:38 PM
Is it wrong to allready be looking at ballast upgrades like a IBS and surf bags ?

Absolutely not. You should have the stuff already laying around by the time you're done with break in.

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New Guy
07-24-2012, 04:46 PM
you all might like this, too

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLhVrJ9lqho&feature=plcp


Where are the shot of the wake? They only show him in the air or landing.

moombadaze
07-24-2012, 04:58 PM
Hope they get the website updated soon to see pricing and specs and color options

rdlangston13
07-24-2012, 05:43 PM
Grab handles in the cabin look in the way of loungers and it looks like all the freeboard came from just making the too cap taller so I am guessing same hull on the bottom? Like the new drivers seat!


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volfo
07-24-2012, 06:25 PM
I don't get this statement. Can you be more specific? What isn't "as nice?"

I thought the lines on the LSV, particuarly from the outside, were prettier and more classic than the Mojo. On the inside, there were a couple of things on the Mojo that just didn't seem quite as "plush" or finished - the angular designs on the fabric, the square look of the vinyl cushions, the unfinished area under the rear bench seat. I can't objectively state it, the 2012 LSV just felt a little more high end to me - a little bit more Supra and a little less Axis. As you said, the new LSV looks "mojo-ified."

In fact, they are both beautiful boats and way nicer than my old OB LS and I can't wait to see them in person. I think they are both very, very functional boats with a level of luxury still above the Axis at a similar price. In any event, my old OB LS is a heck of a good boat and I am definitely a skier's fan based on that experience. Skier's products will always be my first stop checking a new boat purchase.

bzubke1
07-24-2012, 06:32 PM
The contour lines below the rub rail look exactly the same as the 2012 LSV.

vkkovach
07-24-2012, 07:17 PM
I thought the lines on the LSV, particuarly from the outside, were prettier and more classic than the Mojo. On the inside, there were a couple of things on the Mojo that just didn't seem quite as "plush" or finished - the angular designs on the fabric, the square look of the vinyl cushions, the unfinished area under the rear bench seat. I can't objectively state it, the 2012 LSV just felt a little more high end to me - a little bit more Supra and a little less Axis. As you said, the new LSV looks "mojo-ified."

In fact, they are both beautiful boats and way nicer than my old OB LS and I can't wait to see them in person. I think they are both very, very functional boats with a level of luxury still above the Axis at a similar price. In any event, my old OB LS is a heck of a good boat and I am definitely a skier's fan based on that experience. Skier's products will always be my first stop checking a new boat purchase.
You hit the nail on the head! My thoughts exactly

jmvotto
07-24-2012, 08:01 PM
Finally got to see it live yesterday. First impression: WOW! Boat looks massive now with the added freeboard. In a word, it has been "mojo-ized."

[IMG]http://i530.photobucket.com/albums/dd344/wolfeman131/New%20LSV/_DOS3776.JPG[IMG]



I was asking for a new steering wheel for the 2012 xlv , looks good, too bad the LLTR seems to be officially dead since the Roo was part of the steering wheel in 2012.

jmvotto
07-24-2012, 10:21 PM
Drew, saw you commented on the z5 for the supra. Is it available or the v2 or the oz tower.?

ian ashton
07-24-2012, 10:26 PM
Looks like the board racks have been "fixed" too

wolfeman131
07-24-2012, 11:08 PM
Drew, saw you commented on the z5 for the supra. Is it available or the v2 or the oz tower.?

Not yet, but I bugged Ray about it again and I think he has something in mind.


Looks like the board racks have been "fixed" too

Yes! Fixed, improved and fantastic.

BobP
07-25-2012, 12:22 AM
I agree with some of the other folks, don't really like the looks of the new LSV interior...don't like the straight lines, looks "sterile" for lack of a better word. Not saying it is bad or cheap, just not my cup of tea. It seems to be the way designs are going.

Drew,in your one picture of the carpet pulled up there appears to be a snap in the carpet but not a corresponding one on the floor...maybe I just missed it.

moombadaze
07-25-2012, 09:37 AM
Bobp, I was wondering the same myself about the snap. Drew said the carpet comes with the snaps in place then the factory has to put the other half into the floor so it match's the location on the carpet. So Im guessing they just did not install the other half yet.

wolfeman131
07-25-2012, 09:50 AM
Shoot, I didnt inspect it THAT close. It was 120 degrees in that parking lot.

I suspect you are correct Daze.

moombadaze
07-25-2012, 09:54 AM
As soon as you find out the garage height clearance, I have the verbal ok to sell the 08 from the boss

sandm
07-25-2012, 10:00 AM
I would guess that skiers was down to the wire with the boats making sure they were ready and little things like that can get missed. I don't know the whole story but at least skiers had boats in the water unlike the centurion fx22 demo where the boat was sitting on a ramp and not ready to put in yet :)

sandm
07-25-2012, 10:02 AM
As soon as you find out the garage height clearance, I have the verbal ok to sell the 08 from the boss

the first lsv customer?? :)
congrats..

you should try to get s.n. #1 on a '13 model..

z71
07-25-2012, 10:15 AM
Is it just me or does the bow appear to be a good bit smaller than the previous model? It looks to me like they sacrificed space up there for a bigger lounge area. However, it does look a good bit deeper.

mnpracing
07-25-2012, 10:25 AM
Is it just me or does the bow appear to be a good bit smaller than the previous model? It looks to me like they sacrificed space up there for a bigger lounge area. However, it does look a good bit deeper.

If that is the case, then I like it even more. We hardly have anyone in the bow as it's kind of isolated. It's hard to have a conversation between people in the bow and the cabin, and it doesn't fit more than one or two adults comfortably anyway.

New Guy
07-25-2012, 10:35 AM
Same here there is not many people that enjoy sitting in the bow while cruising.

rdlangston13
07-25-2012, 10:43 AM
We have recently run into the opposite issue with the bow. My girl likes to sit up there facing backwards with a friend. The new supra looks like it can easily fit three people up front facing backwards


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moombadaze
07-25-2012, 11:33 AM
the first lsv customer?? :)
congrats..



Oh, I'm sure I wont be the first, have to get the clearance question answered first and then the Moomba and the fishing boat sold

chawk610
07-25-2012, 12:00 PM
I love it... I like the interior! To me it looks roomier the way the seats are finished off. Man, my mind is a whir right now. :(

BobP
07-25-2012, 02:25 PM
Thanks moombadaze, just thought it strange to have a snap in carpet without snaps.

motosno963
07-25-2012, 04:20 PM
i would love to get the new LSV but im guessing it will be out of my price range

volfo
07-25-2012, 06:22 PM
I think I read somewhere - probably here - they were maintaining same price structure. It sounded like it wasn't going up much, if at all. That would be a nice win if it holds.

I'm intrigued by the people who think it may have a smaller bow, larger lounge. My impression was that it was the same hull boat with a deeper but not redesigned top deck shoeboxed on. Interested to hear. I think it will be a hard comparison between the LSV and the Mojo now for me. I used to hate the pickle fork look, but the mojo is a very mild take on it and pickle forks in general are growing on me.

So, Skier's has their dealer meeting in Nashville this year but no dealer anywhere in Middle Tn? Wondering if there was a new dealer announcement or anything like that? If so, I will go visit, like this weekend . . .

98Roo
07-25-2012, 11:46 PM
Sweet! I want one.

turnipgreen
07-26-2012, 02:41 PM
For us old timey guys that still slalom, can anyone say if the lsv wake without ballast filled is useful for a slalom run?

Ron

cab13367
07-26-2012, 04:05 PM
Iím glad that the new LSV has generated a lot of excitement on here. Seems to be a nice boat and a logical evolution of the model. However, I will keep my 06, thank you very much! I like the sleek look of my boat and I donít need any more freeboard. Yesterday, I took it out for a mid week, after work session with my son and two coworkers. We ran just stock ballast for wakeboarding (1200 lbs) at 20 and 21 MPH at 70í and the wake is money for us (intermediate riders). I have two 750ís that I can swap out for the 400s if someone wants to go bigger and faster, and for surfing. Last night, we were too lazy to swap out the 400 for the 750 for surfing so we just emptied the non-surf side 400 and my son and I surfed just fine, going ropeless for as long as we please . Thatís 400 in the ski locker, 400 in the surf side locker, and just 3 people on board.

The ONLY things I wish were different on my boat is if I could raise and lower the tower by myself, had a rectractable or removable ski pylon, and a center drain plug so water does not accumulate in the ski locker. Thatís it. I love everything else about it, it perfectly suits our needs, and best of all, itís paid for :).

As for the new LSV, I am not very impressed with it. I think the dash and the glove box area look chunky and ugly (sorry, I canít think of nicer way to say it) and the simple lines of the upholstery make it look like a low end boat (which it is, I guess). I mean, would it have been too much trouble to add some curved lines to give it a little more style? I also donít like the stock tower Ė again, I think it looks low end. I also donít like the unfinished look under the rear bench at all. I think SC needs to employ an interior designer with an eye for functional style Ė it looks to me that the interior is designed by engineers.

Anyway, I hope I donít offend anyone that is in love with the new LSV but I wanted to share my honest opinion about it and more importantly, how great I think the outgoing model is.

mnpracing
07-26-2012, 04:48 PM
The ONLY things I wish were different on my boat is if I could raise and lower the tower by myself, had a rectractable or removable ski pylon, and a center drain plug so water does not accumulate in the ski locker. That’s it. I love everything else about it, it perfectly suits our needs, and best of all, it’s paid for :).



Al, why can't you raise and lower the tower by yourself? I undo the 4 hand bolts, then lower the rear starboard leg to the gunnel, then lower the port rear leg to the gunnel (just enough flex to lower one while the other side stays put), then turn around, slip a coozie on the exposed leg of the port upper tower leg to keep it from scratching the vinyl, then lower it onto the rear seat.

BTW, I agree with your comments about the 2013 LSV's. Still not enough change for me to trade up. If they would have extended the v of the hull all the way to the transom and retractable pylon....at the same price point....then I likely would be thinking about it.

supremedevice
07-26-2012, 04:55 PM
Excuse my ignorance, but does the extra freeboard add anything functionally to the boat, or is it more of a style thing? I don't really like or dislike it a this point, I'm trying to understand the idea and reasoning behind it. I assume it adds extra weight and bulk.

ga-lsv05
07-26-2012, 04:58 PM
Seems to me that you could add more ballast without the worry of taking water on

2005 mobius lsv 2900lbs ballast

mnpracing
07-26-2012, 05:08 PM
Excuse my ignorance, but does the extra freeboard add anything functionally to the boat, or is it more of a style thing? I don't really like or dislike it a this point, I'm trying to understand the idea and reasoning behind it. I assume it adds extra weight and bulk.

Here are my personal thoughts on why I like more freeboard.
1. more freeboard is better for comfort - when you sit in the seats, the seat-backs are higher rather than at the middle of your back. And the distance from seat to floor is generally higher as well, resulting in a more comfortable sitting position.
2. safety - less chance of swamping, taking rollers. Doesn't eliminate the chance, just lessens it.
3. results in heavier boat - for my purposes (surfing) this means not having to add as much weight. Granted you still have to add quite a bit, but relatively speaking not as much. Or you can add just as much and throw a bigger wave.
4. makes the boat feel bigger, mostly due to #1.

What I don't like about how the '13 lSV does it is by increasing the height of the top deck. I would rather they increased the height of the hull so that the rub rail was raised correspondingly. That way, when you slam it, the rub rail will still be out of the water for a couple reasons. First the thru-hulls are below the rub rail. If the hull isn't changed, and you can put more weight in the boat, then the thru-hull s will be closer to, or in, the water. Also, it gives the boat a better appearance when weighted, or not weighted. If the rub rail is below the water line, visually it looks like you're way over-weighted. Just my opinions.

WaterBullDawg1980
07-26-2012, 06:17 PM
As soon as you find out the garage height clearance, I have the verbal ok to sell the 08 from the boss

Ha! I'm working on the "boss" in my house on the same thing. :). But I think she is close! She just doesn't want to miss any lake time which I agree with.

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cab13367
07-26-2012, 06:20 PM
Al, why can't you raise and lower the tower by yourself? BTW, I agree with your comments about the 2013 LSV's. Still not enough change for me to trade up. If they would have extended the v of the hull all the way to the transom and retractable pylon....at the same price point....then I likely would be thinking about it.

Well, due to the weight of 4 tower speakers and 4 sets of board racks, it's a bit heavy :) I can do it if I really have to but I would rather have some help. I know that's the advantage of the new tower is you can easily knock it down by yourself.

I think the issue with running the V all the way to the transom (which is how most runabout hulls are designed) is that it increases minimum planing speed. So it you have little ones or timid riders that like to wakeboard at 15-17 MPH, it will be difficult to maintain that speed and even if you did, they wouldn't get a clean wake. I did used to own a small (19') runabout with a V that went all the way to the transom before my Moomba and I had exactly that problem. I could not go slower than about 18-19 and if I did, the boat would fall off plane and I would be going 12. There was no way to hold any speed in between. But I am no hydraulics engineer, that is just my opinion and is my experience.


Excuse my ignorance, but does the extra freeboard add anything functionally to the boat, or is it more of a style thing? I don't really like or dislike it a this point, I'm trying to understand the idea and reasoning behind it. I assume it adds extra weight and bulk.

If you are operating your boat on bigger bodies of water where the swells can get pretty big and the wind can blow pretty hard, having more freeboard results in a drier ride for the occupants and for those with little kids, it's also safer since they are less likely to fall overboard. And I guess what mnracing points out is also true, that it results in more comfortable seating although I personally don't have a problem with the seating position on my boat. I boat mainly on a river or a small lake and if it's that rough out, I am not out on the lake anyway, or I am anchored in a wind sheltered cove having some cold ones :)

cab13367
07-26-2012, 06:24 PM
Seems to me that you could add more ballast without the worry of taking water on



Yup, this is true as well. I don't run that much ballast and knowing how to drive properly also helps with not taking water over the bow. It has only happened a handful of times in the 6 years I have owned my boat.

jmvotto
07-26-2012, 06:41 PM
The boat you speak of is called the XLV. Too bad it in the wind

KSmith
07-26-2012, 07:40 PM
So what is the real deal? Is the hull on the 2013 the same as the 2012 and they just changed the top deck or is it all new (hull and top deck)?

Boonejeepin
07-26-2012, 07:53 PM
So what is the real deal? Is the hull on the 2013 the same as the 2012 and they just changed the top deck or is it all new (hull and top deck)?

Inquiring minds want to know.....

sandm
07-26-2012, 07:58 PM
drew said he thought he had a shot of the rear transom. the vee will tell all. if they changed the hull, they would have surely made it a deeper vee for surfing. if it's the same, then they added to the top. either way, it's nice to see a deeper boat that will allow you to take on more water. I ran my old supra down to the rubrail in the water and having an extra few inches up top would have been nice..

wolfeman131
07-26-2012, 08:22 PM
I think it's mostly a top deck design, but there wasn't a new and old sitting side by side. Not sure that I would have messed with a good thing and it's hard to argue the current hull had any/many flaws in performing very well for different watersports.

dusty2221
07-26-2012, 09:33 PM
I understood the updates as nothing more than a taller top cap and square mojo interior with the same tried and true, proven hull rub rail down

lewisb13
07-27-2012, 09:18 AM
Its the exact same hull as the 2012 with a taller deck. Running bottom is exactly the same as the 12. The only reason I know this is because I just took the plunge and ordered one. Picking out the colors today, Ill have it before labor day.

jmvotto
07-27-2012, 09:21 AM
Its the exact same hull as the 2012 with a taller deck. Running bottom is exactly the same as the 12. The only reason I know this is because I just took the plunge and ordered one. Picking out the colors today, Ill have it before labor day.

Congrats Lewisb,

first one out of the gate at least on this forum....

supremedevice
07-27-2012, 09:58 AM
I still haven't heard any official word from Moomba on this apart from a youtube vid. Not even a simple Facebook update? It would take minimal effort on their part to increase the level of marketing and hype surrounding this launch, and even the Moomba brand itself.

wolfeman131
07-27-2012, 11:01 AM
Dude, have you ever put on a meeting of the magnitude the SC team just had? I have, and can tell you it is an enormous amount of work. The gal on the front line is great and it will all happen ASAP. She lives on the West Coast & just got home yesterday.

FWIW - the dealers said this was the best meeting yet and this was mostly due to her efforts. The dealers are the first customer in the chain of events, they were sold, so SC is off to a great start with the new LSV.

jmvotto
07-27-2012, 11:28 AM
Its the exact same hull as the 2012 with a taller deck. Running bottom is exactly the same as the 12. The only reason I know this is because I just took the plunge and ordered one. Picking out the colors today, Ill have it before labor day.

just talked to my dealer today about an unrelated item, said the boat is a home run, same hull shape but stringers are different, has an extra fiberglass finished floor, than the older models, due to the new stringers and snap in carpet . it is heavy and provides the same quality wake.

this event is clearing tough to put togetherand kudos for sc letting non dealer in to showcase the new arrivals....

ChrisK
07-27-2012, 12:47 PM
I honestly agree that they could do things slightly different. I understand that dealer meeting was a massive undertaking, but that's the industry standard and should happen every year, like clockwork. I guess I'm mostly thinking of the new Supra SA's when I'm talking about this, but I thought they dropped the ball on the premier of it. The time to build hype is before you show it's face, not after the party. I thought MC did an awesome job when they revealed the new XStar early this year. They had a full campaign before the show utilizing social media, videos, etc, etc. That would have been easy for Supra to do. Maybe not necessary for just a hull re-design with the LSV...

wolfeman131
07-27-2012, 01:19 PM
The hardest part about marketing is that everyone thinks they know best when they actually know close to nothing about what it takes to do the job. So, take my comments for what their worth, but know that my background includes a stint as Sr. VP of Marketing for multi-million dollar consumer products company. My opinion, for what its worth, is that the SC team did a better than admirable job with launching essentially 2 new products under a tight time frame.

rdlangston13
07-27-2012, 01:38 PM
like others i just wish they would have added the extra freeboard below the rubrail instead of above it. it just looks kind of goofy now and like previously mentioned, the thru hulls are not any higher.

i dont mind the "unfinished" rear bench however. i like how it would give me a place to stash flip flops.

supremedevice
07-27-2012, 01:53 PM
At the very least they could utilize social media to actually inform their end customers of these product launches. As far as someone outside this board is aware, the new LSV has not launched yet or does not even exist. These boats are sick, they just need to shout that a little louder.

mnpracing
07-27-2012, 01:55 PM
The hardest part about marketing is that everyone thinks they know best when they actually know close to nothing about what it takes to do the job. So, take my comments for what their worth, but know that my background includes a stint as Sr. VP of Marketing for multi-million dollar consumer products company. My opinion, for what its worth, is that the SC team did a better than admirable job with launching essentially 2 new products under a tight time frame.

True that. I'm a finance exec and a consumer. In fact my wife says I'm a better consumer :) The hardest part about being a consumer is marketing folks that think they know what I want....

anyway....moving on....

newty
07-27-2012, 02:16 PM
Newty likey! Great looking boat imo.

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ChrisK
07-27-2012, 02:39 PM
The hardest part about marketing is that everyone thinks they know best when they actually know close to nothing about what it takes to do the job. So, take my comments for what their worth, but know that my background includes a stint as Sr. VP of Marketing for multi-million dollar consumer products company. My opinion, for what its worth, is that the SC team did a better than admirable job with launching essentially 2 new products under a tight time frame.

There may be more marketing experience floating around than you'd think. I know you're much more in the know than most people on here when it comes to SC (wish I was in your shoes), so I'm curious about your comment on a tight time frame. I don't know if this is appropriate to talk about on here or not but wouldn't they have known that their boat would be coming out for months and months? Or was there some surprise thing that came up in the process?

moombadaze
07-27-2012, 02:50 PM
I just took the plunge and ordered one. Picking out the colors today

Congratulations.

wondering what colors your going with.

think i may have a few months till im at the point of picking colors

Mobius22
07-27-2012, 03:08 PM
Its the exact same hull as the 2012 with a taller deck. Running bottom is exactly the same as the 12. The only reason I know this is because I just took the plunge and ordered one. Picking out the colors today, Ill have it before labor day.

Congrats! Can't wait to see pics of it!

WaterBullDawg1980
07-27-2012, 03:15 PM
At the very least they could utilize social media to actually inform their end customers of these product launches. As far as someone outside this board is aware, the new LSV has not launched yet or does not even exist. These boats are sick, they just need to shout that a little louder.

I would agree here. Skiers, and especially Moomba does a poor job of utilizing social media. Very inexpensive way to promote your brand to the target market. Definitely can approve in this area.

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maxpower220
07-27-2012, 03:43 PM
It is even more basic than that. I owned MC for a long time. They have "Team MC". When you buy a boat, MC "gives" you 1 year of Team MC which includes a yr subscription to Wakeboard or Waterski Mag, a card that gives you a discount at the MC online store, a MC branded something (tee shirt, towel, backpack, etc), and a MC newsletter (similar to Moomba Maniacs). Each year, you renew for a prices (@$30) and you get the same stuff, the MC branded thing changes each year. The tee shirts are labeled per year. The price is lower than you can buy any of this stuff as 1 piece.

What does that do? I have a closet full of 8 MC branded tee shirts, which is free advertisement for MC everytime I wear one. I have towels, backpacks, etc that are branded with MC that advertise MC everytime I used them. This program helps every owner "feel" like they are a part of something. Something that only this web forum seems to do for Moomba. Seems like a cheap way to promote the brand through it's owners. Yes, I already submitted this idea to SC years ago. No one seemed to notice or thought that it wasn't a worthy idea.

I don't cruise other boat forums other than ski it again and ball of spray and MCtalk. I can't tell what presence SC has elsewhere. However, there are a lot of cheap/free media avenues that advertisers should be tapped into.

sandm
07-27-2012, 04:43 PM
personally, I think skiers did a good job of promoting the boats, not great, but good and much better than a few other launches this year. not talking about the dealers meeting as I'm sure that was amazing to be there, but like max is stating, getting the buzz and hype going outside of the dealers community.
drew did a bang-up job on this forum and got some excitement going on ww, but outside of the 100 or so regular posters on this forum, didn't hear much else. I don't have facebook so maybe there was a huge media blitz on there, but in reading on here, doesn't sound like it.

I do like the idea max had from the mc boat experience and the added $$ to get swag to promote your product. I would have done that with my supra, but I would think that with some of the cuts that skiers had over the last few years, not sure they have the staffing in place to make that happen, unlike mc and what I would perceive as a top-heavy mgmt complement.

I say this with some hesitation, as if someone takes on the task of pushing social media, does it then make it that much harder to release new products like the lsv/sa line or does the price of the boats now go up a few hundred to pay 60k/yr for a media relations person....

wolfeman131
07-27-2012, 06:26 PM
You guys all have found the answers yourselves. Swag & more marketing assets simply result in a higher priced product. You have to make money to stay in business.

Do you really believe a facebook post would drive sales? If so, check their stock price today and read their earnings report. They wouldn't even provide an earnings forecast.

Yes, things come up last minute and I would be cautious to promote or highlight items I was not 100% confident in so as to not disappoint customers. Last year, the agreement with Roswell for the S tower came after the sales brochures were printed. Ideal? Not at all, but it happens.

polarbill1999
07-27-2012, 07:55 PM
I really like it. The cockpit area looks large and deep. I am a little dissapointed they didnt' change the running surface at all. Even though the boat has a good hull it seems to be dated. I would love to see them incorporate a hull that brings the V all the way to the back like they did with the SA. This should allow the boat to surf better/easier. Also it looks like the wake of the SA is large and clean. I think a few complaints of the hull are that it doesn't have the best rough water ride, the wake is kind of steep and finicky and it doesn't surf great. I am not saying it is bad at any of those things but they could be improved on. Although it is a guess, my guess is they improved all those things on the SA. If that hull ends up being a winner I am not sure why they wouldn't use it across all Skier's choice boats besides the outback direct drive and maybe the outback V. Maybe they could come up with a line of crossover boats that use the same deck/interior but uses a flatter hull for skiing. Think Malibu Diamond hull vs wake hull.

I think I would prefer the Sbend tower over the one on it. Anybody have any idea if that tower will make its way to moomba?

jmvotto
07-27-2012, 08:30 PM
anybody want a green one. Shadrack in TN has one on the showroom floor.


http://www.boattrader.com/listing/2013-Moomba-Lsv-101816415

RickT
07-27-2012, 09:29 PM
Its the exact same hull as the 2012 with a taller deck. Running bottom is exactly the same as the 12. The only reason I know this is because I just took the plunge and ordered one. Picking out the colors today, Ill have it before labor day.

Lewisb13,

That is great to hear. Which dealer did you work with. I want to drop them a note about you being the first! Way to go
As to Marketing....we just choose on this brand to be alittle less "loud" than our counterparts and even its sister brand Supra. There is a video on Facebook. I will share it with Drew...he is way better at linking it here. We will have the website up with photos soon!

THanks for your patience, Maniacs! :)

THe LSV is also at my dock...if you can find it. I love it!

lewisb13
07-27-2012, 10:10 PM
Here is the thread I created about my 13 purchase......

http://www.moomba.com/msgboard/showthread.php?18697-2013-LSV-officically-ORDERED

Chris@rinkersboatworld.com was my salesmen

NCSUmoomba
07-27-2012, 10:33 PM
First, Drew hit the nail on the head. I would rather have the prices be lower than get a ton of free SWAG. I can buy my own t-shirt that doesn't come attached to a $70-$80 grand boat.

Next, don't get me started on "social media". Facebook can kiss my you know what. I think MySpace and Facebook have done more to harm the progress of society than help it. I think people are actually less "sociable" because of these stupid websites. I will be the happiest man in the world when Facebook goes the way of the dodo bird.

As far as the LSV hull, it takes a TON of R&D time and money and effort to develop an new running surface. Having jsut done this with the Mojo, I am sure Skier's Choice hasn't had time to do this for the LSV. I think they did an outstanding job on this significant update for the LSV so soon after the release of an entirely new boat.

Lastly, I think it is awesome that we have Rick Tinker participating on this forum. This shows how much this product and we customers mean to Skier's Choice. How many presidents of companies would be posting on a forum like this at 9:30 on a Friday night, especially during the Olympics opening ceremonies. Thank you Rick and the entire SC team, we appreciate all that you all do. We will continue to do our best to be as supportive as we can and remain loyal customers.

wolfeman131
07-27-2012, 10:56 PM
I will share it with Drew...he is way better at linking it here. We will have the website up with photos soon!

THanks for your patience, Maniacs!

THe LSV is also at my dock...if you can find it. I love it!

My mistake! Guess I forgot to post the link here, but did on WW.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bLhVrJ9lqho

Do we get a prize if we find your dock?

rdlangston13
07-27-2012, 11:17 PM
Too bad Brad wont have this by the Jam in a couple weeks!

moombadaze
07-28-2012, 07:56 AM
anybody want a green one. Shadrack in TN has one on the showroom floor.



betcha thats the LSV from the dealer meeting

jmvotto
07-28-2012, 08:09 AM
Daze you could be the first for delivery if you go green..... Lol

moombadaze
07-28-2012, 08:16 AM
Wrong color for me :-x

or i would be on the phone

wolfeman131
07-31-2012, 06:05 PM
browsing thread today and noticed I didn't get around to posting all this pics I had of the 2013 LSV

Standard platform. Surf shape, but I think you can upgrade to have the underside solid/filled in

http://i530.photobucket.com/albums/dd344/wolfeman131/New%20LSV/2012-07-23_13-04-10_786.jpg

http://i530.photobucket.com/albums/dd344/wolfeman131/New%20LSV/2012-07-23_13-04-19_519.jpg

http://i530.photobucket.com/albums/dd344/wolfeman131/New%20LSV/2012-07-23_13-04-15_299.jpg

new wheel option

http://i530.photobucket.com/albums/dd344/wolfeman131/New%20LSV/2012-07-23_13-02-03_960.jpg

wolfeman131
07-31-2012, 06:06 PM
new swivel rack design

http://i530.photobucket.com/albums/dd344/wolfeman131/New%20LSV/2012-07-23_13-07-39_824.jpg

http://i530.photobucket.com/albums/dd344/wolfeman131/New%20LSV/2012-07-23_13-07-53_196.jpg

http://i530.photobucket.com/albums/dd344/wolfeman131/New%20LSV/2012-07-23_13-08-56_609.jpg

http://i530.photobucket.com/albums/dd344/wolfeman131/New%20LSV/2012-07-23_13-08-06_485.jpg

wolfeman131
07-31-2012, 06:08 PM
http://i530.photobucket.com/albums/dd344/wolfeman131/New%20LSV/2012-07-23_12-57-49_657.jpg

http://i530.photobucket.com/albums/dd344/wolfeman131/New%20LSV/2012-07-23_12-54-06_266.jpg

http://i530.photobucket.com/albums/dd344/wolfeman131/New%20LSV/2012-07-23_12-53-48_246.jpg

http://i530.photobucket.com/albums/dd344/wolfeman131/New%20LSV/2012-07-23_12-45-23_734.jpg

wolfeman131
07-31-2012, 06:09 PM
http://i530.photobucket.com/albums/dd344/wolfeman131/New%20LSV/2012-07-23_12-53-52_946.jpg

http://i530.photobucket.com/albums/dd344/wolfeman131/New%20LSV/2012-07-23_12-54-49_490.jpg

http://i530.photobucket.com/albums/dd344/wolfeman131/New%20LSV/2012-07-23_12-54-54_6.jpg

http://i530.photobucket.com/albums/dd344/wolfeman131/New%20LSV/2012-07-23_12-55-40_624.jpg

wolfeman131
07-31-2012, 06:10 PM
http://i530.photobucket.com/albums/dd344/wolfeman131/New%20LSV/2012-07-23_12-57-21_544.jpg

http://i530.photobucket.com/albums/dd344/wolfeman131/New%20LSV/2012-07-23_12-57-17_119.jpg

http://i530.photobucket.com/albums/dd344/wolfeman131/New%20LSV/2012-07-23_12-55-10_949.jpg

http://i530.photobucket.com/albums/dd344/wolfeman131/New%20LSV/2012-07-23_12-55-00_469.jpg

wolfeman131
07-31-2012, 06:11 PM
small thing, but a great new access panel in the floor for the center drain plug

http://i530.photobucket.com/albums/dd344/wolfeman131/New%20LSV/2012-07-23_12-58-57_942.jpg

sandm
07-31-2012, 06:44 PM
that amp rack is amazingly clean. VERY nice for those that want to upgrade in the future...
nice that the driver cupholders are up out of the sun to keep beverages cold, and looks like you could keep them installed as you cut out the big white hump for a sub box :)
boardracks look like they are coated in vinyl. nice to protect boards. def. much better qualitywise than the ones I had :) a very nice improvement..
nice interior color combo and the grey vinyl looks to have a nice texture to it..

still not sold on the grabhandles in the interior. looks like they would be in the way. I'd order the boat w/o them..

wolfeman131
07-31-2012, 07:19 PM
Have same grab handles in the Mojo and have seen folks use them on fast starts, but havent noticed them being in the way. Not sure you could order one without.

moombadaze
07-31-2012, 07:23 PM
i like even more now.

and im taking someone for a demo ride in the fishing boat tomorrow and showing the Moomba tonight to some friends....

rdlangston13
07-31-2012, 07:48 PM
lets see here...

Likes
No built in cooler
batteries being moved out of the observer seat back
increased freeboard
ballast switches moved up high with everything else
surf style platform
new swivel board racks
pull up observer seat back
steering wheel
extra cup holder in the cabin on the port side
rubber on floor or storage lockers
large factory amp board
mid ship drain plug
snap out carpet

dislikes:
freeboard added above rub rail, throws off the balance of the boat (imo)
oz tower
cup holder still being by my feet. i need easy beer access
huge gauge bezels look funny
grab handles sticking out inside cabin area
giant vent hose stretching all the way across port observer locker
carpet on amp board

moombadaze
08-01-2012, 07:55 AM
those grab handles look just like the ones in my 08 LSV, never been in the way and cant say I even notice them.

David, what about the oz tower do you not like and whats wront with having carpet on the amp board?

rdlangston13
08-01-2012, 08:49 AM
those grab handles look just like the ones in my 08 LSV, never been in the way and cant say I even notice them.

David, what about the oz tower do you not like and whats wront with having carpet on the amp board?


my grab handles do not come straight out of the vinyl cushioning, there is a recessed area that is carpeted and that is where my grab handles are

nothing is wrong with the oz tower from what i can see, i just think it doesnt look very good, wish they still had the v2 option

and again, nothing is wrong with the amp board being carpeted. just think it would look better being flat black imo.

moombadaze
08-01-2012, 09:24 AM
Quess ill take a close look at my grab handles, like i said i dont really notice them

I agree at first I did not like the oz tower compared to the V2, but after being in the Mojo I would rather have the oz tower since it does not block so much view.

Never thought about the carpet vrs flat black on the amp board, I was just wondering

kaneboats
08-01-2012, 11:22 AM
I think it has an exciting new look to it and love the new steering wheel.

lewisb13
08-01-2012, 02:40 PM
I ordered mine without carpet. I mean they're going to send the carpet but I told them not to even bother installing the snaps. I'm also shooting for galvanized plus painted

WaterBullDawg1980
08-01-2012, 10:15 PM
I ordered mine without carpet. I mean they're going to send the carpet but I told them not to even bother installing the snaps. I'm also shooting for galvanized plus painted

How much was the carpet add on? Seriously thinking about putting Sea-Dek on the floor if my next boat. It would be more but I think it would be worth it.

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wolfeman131
08-01-2012, 10:20 PM
Snap carpet comes standard. Probably can't order without it or get credit. Best bet would be to try and order boat w/out it being installed (no snaps in boat) and sell it as a spare to someone. Use those funds to put towards the sea dek.

moombadaze
08-02-2012, 07:37 AM
been thinking about the same with the carpet, why could seadek not be snapped down also or instead of the carpet--best of both worlds, use the seadek for normal outings and the carpet on special outings. May have to fabricate some kind of rigid type backing for it

thoughts

wolfeman131
08-02-2012, 08:12 AM
My thoughts will be a sea dek rant, so I'll hold them to myself for now.

sandm
08-02-2012, 08:22 AM
check out poseidon flooring. I got to sample it the other day at the dealer. removable like carpet, spongey like seadek(only MUCH thicker) and removable so it's easy to clean.. I wish I had the option to have ordered it. it looks like a rubber weave doormat when you first look at it, but once you stand on it, you are sold..
it's a pretty spendy option to check on the boats that do have it(~$850), but you can buy it online in rolls similar to carpet and I understand pieces seam together easy for a full-floor look. looks to be in the 350-400 range to do an average boat-as much as having snap-in carpet made and cheaper than messing with either permanently mounting seadek(and now it's permanent again) or trying to retrofit seadek in some removable fashion.

http://www.poseidonflooring.com/

wolfeman131
08-02-2012, 09:03 AM
Nice find!

They are just North of Houston, so some of our TX brothers need to get up there and get a deal worked out! With CNC machines, they can get a template set in the computer and, I wqould guess, be able to knock these out in the color you wanted w/ our w/out the Moomba logo.

LANGSTON - get on this!

sandm
08-02-2012, 09:06 AM
I hate to say this, but if you have a tige dealer nearby, go stand on it. it really is amazing stuff. not going to speak to it's longevity as I really don't know much about it, but appears to be pretty cool..

mnpracing
08-02-2012, 09:09 AM
check out poseidon flooring. I got to sample it the other day at the dealer. removable like carpet, spongey like seadek(only MUCH thicker) and removable so it's easy to clean.. I wish I had the option to have ordered it. it looks like a rubber weave doormat when you first look at it, but once you stand on it, you are sold..
it's a pretty spendy option to check on the boats that do have it(~$850), but you can buy it online in rolls similar to carpet and I understand pieces seam together easy for a full-floor look. looks to be in the 350-400 range to do an average boat-as much as having snap-in carpet made and cheaper than messing with either permanently mounting seadek(and now it's permanent again) or trying to retrofit seadek in some removable fashion.

http://www.poseidonflooring.com/

The Poseidon flooring in my friend's Tige Z3 (optional upgrade) reminds me of the mat that came in my ski locker in my Moombas. Similar feel from what I remember (I've long since thrown away the ski locker mats). On the Z3 it felt comfortable on the feet, and seemed to be a nice self-draining alternative to the snap-in carpet. However, the only small nit-pick I had with it was sometimes it would slip out from under your foot, if you were leaning over the gunnel for example with your feet on the floor, it had a tendency to slip. I don't think snaps or any other fastner would work to hold it down, as it is stretchy. The Z3 flooring had a nice graphic on it, so it looked really nice. If I had snap-in carpet, I'd want graphics on it which I think would help cover up spots, stains, matting, etc.

rdlangston13
08-02-2012, 09:11 AM
was i just given home work?

wolfeman131
08-02-2012, 09:15 AM
was i just given home work?

Yeah, but my OCD kicked in and I blasted an email off to the Pres of the company already, so you're covered. I let him know that there are thousands of LSV's out there from 2006-2012 that could use an upgrade to the OEM carpet. I'll keep everyone posted on any correspondence I receive.

moombadaze
08-02-2012, 09:42 AM
what about hydroturf with the diamond cut pattern and the marble color

kaneboats
08-02-2012, 12:56 PM
Yeah, but my OCD kicked in and I blasted an email off to the Pres of the company already, so you're covered. I let him know that there are thousands of LSV's out there from 2006-2012 that could use an upgrade to the OEM carpet. I'll keep everyone posted on any correspondence I receive.

Definitely a Like Button on this one!

saskyrider
08-03-2012, 01:28 PM
I just really wanna upgrade mine from the old hull design to the new style... hopefully this will drive the price down on the 06 - 12 models... heehee

of course then mine becomes cheaper to... booo!!!

Geoff

NateHaskovec
08-05-2012, 12:07 PM
I take delivery next week on mine. I will show pictures and answer questions as they come. I went with the black and blue color.

wolfeman131
08-05-2012, 12:14 PM
I take delivery next week on mine. I will show pictures and answer questions as they come. I went with the black and blue color.

Nice score!

NateHaskovec
08-05-2012, 01:59 PM
Ha, thanks. I have been working very closely with a dealer. We got my boat (08 XLV Gravity) sold in 24 hours, and the 13 LSV should be here on Tuesday.

bzubke1
08-05-2012, 04:54 PM
Right on! Almost no downtime!

NateHaskovec
08-05-2012, 06:23 PM
Only this weekend, and it t-stormed both days.

wolfeman131
08-07-2012, 12:38 PM
Sorry for the delay, Daze. Had to get a little lunch.

Overall length w/out platform 21'6"
Overall length w/ platform 23'6"
Overall length w/ trailer 25'3"
Width/Beam 97"
Witdth including trailer 102"
Draft 25"
Weight - Boat only 3,800 lbs
Weight - Boat & Trailer 4,650 lbs

moombadaze
08-07-2012, 12:47 PM
little suprised at the weight gain, did not think it would be that much

lewisb13
08-07-2012, 12:53 PM
I'm interested to see what the free board difference is

moombadaze
08-07-2012, 01:01 PM
What colors did you go with

wolfeman131
08-07-2012, 01:12 PM
I'm interested to see what the free board difference is

from sitting in the boat, I'd say it's about 6 inches.

lewisb13
08-07-2012, 01:16 PM
Here is some more stuff for yall to look at. I got the blue color scheme seen below....

lewisb13
08-07-2012, 01:19 PM
15707

I got this exact color scheme except my panel color is pacific blue

ryan_8099
08-07-2012, 02:23 PM
Bummer about the weight gain, this will limit our choices when we look at a new boat. Was hoping our 4k lift capacity would last us through 2 boats. Current 22' is 3,250 + whatever the tower/racks etc weigh.

wolfeman131
08-07-2012, 02:33 PM
I think you'd be fine with a 4k lift, just don't leave the ballast full.

moombadaze
08-07-2012, 02:34 PM
Looks like the rear seat back has a contour to it

ryan_8099
08-07-2012, 02:38 PM
I think you'd be fine with a 4k lift, just don't leave the ballast full.

Any idea if the quoted 3800 lbs includes the tower? I had heard before that all those quoted weights never included anything "added on" but please correct me if I am wrong on this.

wolfeman131
08-07-2012, 02:40 PM
Ryan,

I'm not certain, but will see if I can get an answer. With the Oz tower being standard, I would think that that number it should include the tower.

dusty2221
08-07-2012, 05:50 PM
Rinkers Boat World just received theirs

Pull this from FB

http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/432095_434754043229380_1600173161_n.jpg

wolfeman131
08-07-2012, 06:08 PM
just saw it myself and was gettig ready to post.

WOW, WOW, WOW. That is one sick looking boat!

bergermaister
08-07-2012, 06:20 PM
I always find it interesting that there is absolutely scratch on the main Moomba site for '13 models, yet here we see them in dealerships already.

moombadaze
08-07-2012, 07:44 PM
that black and green sure is nice

rdlangston13
08-07-2012, 07:46 PM
Rinkers Boat World just received theirs

Pull this from FB

http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/432095_434754043229380_1600173161_n.jpg

Cody is heading over there tomorrow to give them their shirts for the jam, maybe her can snap a couple pics for us!


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jmvotto
08-07-2012, 08:11 PM
Bummer about the weight gain, this will limit our choices when we look at a new boat. Was hoping our 4k lift capacity would last us through 2 boats. Current 22' is 3,250 + whatever the tower/racks etc weigh.


I have the xlv in a 4k lift, so far good( cross fingers)

bzubke1
08-07-2012, 10:36 PM
Cody is heading over there tomorrow to give them their shirts for the jam, maybe her can snap a couple pics for us!

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They should bring it to the jam! I can see why they wouldn't want to put it in the water but if they just brought it out to show off, you never know somebody might buy it?

mattlovesamy
08-08-2012, 10:31 AM
I might have missed this already, but with all the additions and improvements, was there any significant price increase?

lewisb13
08-08-2012, 10:49 AM
I might have missed this already, but with all the additions and improvements, was there any significant price increase?

I just ordered one and I would say absolutely. Not going to say how much I paid on this thread, but Ill bet people are going to pay 65K OTD for one with the 345 motor, tower speakers/sub, 18 inch rims on the trailer (torsion springs are required for the 18s), etc

C.Hern5972
08-08-2012, 12:56 PM
Brad,
Whats your ETA on the rig

lewisb13
08-08-2012, 01:14 PM
I'm hoping for first or second week in Sept. Me getting a galvanized+painted trailer really delays the build for some reason.

wolfeman131
08-08-2012, 01:28 PM
I might have missed this already, but with all the additions and improvements, was there any significant price increase?


I just ordered one and I would say absolutely. Not going to say how much I paid on this thread, but Ill bet people are going to pay 65K OTD for one with the 345 motor, tower speakers/sub, 18 inch rims on the trailer (torsion springs are required for the 18s), etc

Sorry, but the above isn't correct, IMO, when you compare it apples-to-apples. The 2013's come with Digital Cruise Pro, surf platform and GIII ballast as standard equipment. If you add those options on to the base, MSRP of a 2012 and compare to the base MSRP of a 2013, the math is a rather modest 2.9% increase.

BTW - the MSRP on 2013's is $50,450.

rdlangston13
08-08-2012, 02:13 PM
Just a few years ago it was 39,999 sigh


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lewisb13
08-08-2012, 02:14 PM
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wolfeman131
08-08-2012, 02:30 PM
Just a few years ago it was 39,999 sigh


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A few years ago, gas was $1.88/gal

moombadaze
08-08-2012, 02:46 PM
Brad, what is that measurement for the photo in the upper right hand corner, I cant make out the numbers on the tape measure

lewisb13
08-08-2012, 03:01 PM
Brad, what is that measurement for the photo in the upper right hand corner, I cant make out the numbers on the tape measure

Basically your garage door could be 6'8 and this boat would still fit with the tower down. You got a GOOD 4-5 inches of clearance, and if you get real desperate you can let the air out of the tires.

moombadaze
08-08-2012, 03:04 PM
Well thats great news, i was stressing about that measurement

lewisb13
08-08-2012, 03:11 PM
Sorry, but the above isn't correct, IMO, when you compare it apples-to-apples. The 2013's come with Digital Cruise Pro, surf platform and GIII ballast as standard equipment. If you add those options on to the base, MSRP of a 2012 and compare to the base MSRP of a 2013, the math is a rather modest 2.9% increase.

BTW - the MSRP on 2013's is $50,450.

50,500 Boat
2,000 subwoofer, tower speakers, two bow speakers with amp
2,620 18 inch rims and mandatory torsion springs
2,200 345 motor
100 Fulton F2 jack
1200 (600 EACH) if you want any color other than white for the deck or hull
1000 swivel wakeboard racks
700 bimini
700 cover
1000 for tandem axle upgrade, remember you CAN get this boat on a single axle still
500 spare tire and bracket

oh and dont forget
pop up cleats
swing away tongue
depth finder
dual battery with onboard charger
mirror + bracket
1235 prop
water strainer
Docking lights
Transom Straps
7-pin connector for the trailer
transon audio remote
the new moomba soft side cooler is also extra

OH OH OH dont forget TAX!!!!!!

ian ashton
08-08-2012, 03:23 PM
50,500 Boat
2,000 subwoofer, tower speakers, two bow speakers with amp
2,620 18 inch rims and mandatory torsion springs
2,200 345 motor
100 Fulton F2 jack
1200 (600 EACH) if you want any color other than white for the deck or hull
1000 swivel wakeboard racks
700 bimini
700 cover
1000 for tandem axle upgrade, remember you CAN get this boat on a single axle still
500 spare tire and bracket

oh and dont forget
pop up cleats
swing away tongue
depth finder
dual battery with onboard charger
mirror + bracket
1235 prop
water strainer
Docking lights
Transom Straps
7-pin connector for the trailer
transon audio remote
the new moomba soft side cooler is also extra

OH OH OH dont forget TAX!!!!!!

Ordering the factory stereo upgrades could e the absolute worst possible use of money ever. You might as well set your money on fire. I'd guesstimate you could spend the same amount and have a KILLER WS or Exile system, or spend half and get comparable.

If I could go back I'd 100% get leaf sprigs over torsion.

Sure, if you check every box the price goes up, but some items are just stupid to buy with the boat;

Spare can be duplicated after market for $200 all inclusive

Transom straps are excessively priced compared to retailers

Docking lights are useless, I wouldn't order them

Factory mirror and bracket; meh.

lewisb13
08-08-2012, 03:25 PM
Yeah I ordered mine with the minimum stereo available, no docking lights, no transom straps, etc. And there is no mirror that will mount on the tower. All I was saying, no matter which options you choose, get ready to open your wallets.

ian ashton
08-08-2012, 03:29 PM
Ive got a buddy ordering a 2013, I think with smart option picking and Boat Show incentives he'll be under $55k otd.


Curious, why did you order now instead of waiting till buying season? Did you sell your other boat already?

wolfeman131
08-08-2012, 03:33 PM
You can't do the leaf springs with the 18' wheels. That's not from SC, that is from Boatmate.

I agree on the stereo, IF you want to mess with that stuff. Otherwise the good stereo shops will charge more when you include the install costs.

Same with the transom straps, spare, etc - you can get them for less, but you're putting them on yourself. Granted, most is easy to do, but some folks don't want (or know how) to mess with it.

lewisb13
08-08-2012, 03:33 PM
Yeah I sold my other boat back in June. And I didnt want to wait 6 more months (err scratch that you michigaders have to wait till april to use your boat, we go year round, literally.) I know you know me, we went to high school together, you were 01, I was 02.

wolfeman131
08-08-2012, 03:36 PM
Ive got a buddy ordering a 2013, I think with smart option picking and Boat Show incentives he'll be under $55k otd.

That should definately be the case, depending on tax rate. I think most options are priced about the same as YAGO and well-equipped LSV's were OTD at the show last year just under $50, so with a 3% increase, and 6% tax, you are right on the money.

lewisb13
08-08-2012, 03:44 PM
Youre talking about a brand new boat. Thats like saying theyll be giving deals on that crazy new pickle fork that Supra has. Ill bet these boats command top dollar for the next two years and the dealers wont even have to blink an eye. Theyre not going to need to make aaannnnnnny deals for people.

moombadaze
08-08-2012, 03:52 PM
.

If I could go back I'd 100% get leaf sprigs over torsion.

.

Ian, wondering why?

convince me and I can save some moolah

mnpracing
08-08-2012, 03:55 PM
why would leafs not be available for 18" wheels? Do the leafs handle more weight, or less than the torsions? What is the axle rating with leaf vs torsion?

sandm
08-08-2012, 03:55 PM
That should definately be the case, depending on tax rate. I think most options are priced about the same as YAGO and well-equipped LSV's were OTD at the show last year just under $50, so with a 3% increase, and 6% tax, you are right on the money.

thanks for setting the record straight. I about crapped when I saw 65k quoted for an lsv. that's more than I paid for my boat and 10k more than the decently loaded mb 21's which I would see in the lsv's crosshairs :)

ian ashton
08-08-2012, 04:00 PM
Yeah I sold my other boat back in June. And I didnt want to wait 6 more months (err scratch that you michigaders have to wait till april to use your boat, we go year round, literally.) I know you know me, we went to high school together, you were 01, I was 02.

No kidding, small world! What is your real life name?

ian ashton
08-08-2012, 04:03 PM
Ian, wondering why?

convince me and I can save some moolah

When my torsion axle failed it rendered the trailer 100% useless until it was fixed - not "temporary" fix to get it home, fix it where it is, and the fix is a new axle. Thank god it was warranty.

Leaf springs have been around for 100 years and I'd imagine have a lower fail rate. I also like the idea of putting air bags on the trailer, and f it had leads that would be a super easy swap.

wolfeman131
08-08-2012, 04:40 PM
why would leafs not be available for 18" wheels? Do the leafs handle more weight, or less than the torsions? What is the axle rating with leaf vs torsion?

wish I had more insight, but I do not know anything more than this: when I went thru the options list on the Mojo, I clicked off the 18" wheels only to be told that trailers didn't leave the boatmate factory with those wheels unless the trailer was upgraded to the torsion axle(s). It doubled the cost of the option in my eyes, so I went with the standard, leaf springs.

wolfeman131
08-08-2012, 04:45 PM
Youre talking about a brand new boat. Thats like saying theyll be giving deals on that crazy new pickle fork that Supra has. Ill bet these boats command top dollar for the next two years and the dealers wont even have to blink an eye. Theyre not going to need to make aaannnnnnny deals for people.

I'd be extremely surprised if we don't see boat show deals for 2013 similar to those that have been in place for the last few years. I can attest to the fact that there were deals on the Mojo last year when it was a brand new boat. Anyone that pays MSRP has made a mistake in negotiating be it a Supra, Moomba, Malibu, MasterCraft, Tige, Ford, Chevy, Toyota, etc.

rdlangston13
08-08-2012, 04:45 PM
They claim the torsion axle issue was resolved in 08 at some point. I feel like I'm just sitting on a ticking time
Bomb and I hate it


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lewisb13
08-08-2012, 04:57 PM
I'd be extremely surprised if we don't see boat show deals for 2013 similar to those that have been in place for the last few years. I can attest to the fact that there were deals on the Mojo last year when it was a brand new boat. Anyone that pays MSRP has made a mistake in negotiating be it a Supra, Moomba, Malibu, MasterCraft, Tige, Ford, Chevy, Toyota, etc.

Yeah I hear ya. I didnt pay full price, but I guess Im just trying to communicate that there are a lot of other factors. I live in Houston which is only second to Clermont florida for wakeboarding and surfing so the market here is flooded with people needing boats. You go on my lake and every other house has a wakeboat. When I lived in Alabama I was the ONLY person with an inboard no crap. I had a deal worked up with the local Tige dealer before I bought this boat and I had left the guy $5000 CASH at the boat show. Well the next day he got amnesia about the tower speakers we talked about and handed my 5K back over a pair of REV8s!!! Thank god I had someone else with me the day I made the deal so I felt confident walking away. Im just saying Ill bet 99% of the people on here pay between 55K and 62K out the door for an unloaded and fully loaded LSV, respectively. Only time will tell!

wolfeman131
08-08-2012, 06:27 PM
I might have missed this already, but with all the additions and improvements, was there any significant price increase?


I just ordered one and I would say absolutely.


Youre talking about a brand new boat. Theyre not going to need to make aaannnnnnny deals for people.


Yeah I hear ya. I didnt pay full price, but I guess Im just trying to communicate that there are a lot of other factors. Im just saying Ill bet 99% of the people on here pay between 55K and 62K out the door for an unloaded and fully loaded LSV, respectively. Only time will tell!

I'm done going back & forth on this, but your response of "absolutely" in regards to a significant price increase is simply incorrect as well as the statement that dealers are "not going to need to make aaannnnnnny deals for people."

I've tried to lay out the facts and want to make sure folks don't get mislead by your statements, regardless of what the final, OTD price is as that will vary from location to location. Bottom line is that an equally equipped LSV has increased in MSRP cost a meager 2.9% and there will be incentives on these boats, as well as the Supra SA, when the boat shows roll around.

kaneboats
08-09-2012, 01:05 AM
You are about a month from being able to make a deal on any boat in the world. If you start shopping in late April it's just not the same.

NateHaskovec
08-09-2012, 12:54 PM
15727

Got to see mine today, and should have it on the lake Saturday. I have a buyer picking up my 2008 XLV GG from me on Friday. I won't even be one day without a boat.:)

moombadaze
08-09-2012, 01:05 PM
Good looking boat your getting Nate---congrats

NateHaskovec
08-09-2012, 01:07 PM
Good looking boat your getting Nate---congrats

Thanks. I just hope my surfboard fits in the new swivel racks..

moombadaze
08-09-2012, 01:12 PM
so far it looks like black is the most popular color

wolfeman131
08-09-2012, 01:13 PM
Thanks. I just hope my surfboard fits in the new swivel racks..

A thin skim may fit on top, but most anything should fit on bottom. So, you should get at least 2 total in the racks, using both sides.

wolfeman131
08-09-2012, 01:14 PM
BTW - great looking boat! Congrats.

moombadaze
08-09-2012, 01:15 PM
is the standard rack is now one surf slot(thick bord) and one board slot (thin board) ?

All the photos ive seen look that way

NateHaskovec
08-09-2012, 01:23 PM
Originally Posted by mnpracing
"why would leafs not be available for 18" wheels? Do the leafs handle more weight, or less than the torsions? What is the axle rating with leaf vs torsion?"

The wheels are taller. With leaf springs you can't lower the trailer or the axle would hit the boat.

NateHaskovec
08-09-2012, 01:27 PM
is the standard rack is now one surf slot(thick bord) and one board slot (thin board) ?

All the photos ive seen look that way

I don't know. This was a dealer ordered boat, but the invoice looks like they are standard.

wolfeman131
08-09-2012, 01:40 PM
is the standard rack is now one surf slot(thick bord) and one board slot (thin board) ?

All the photos ive seen look that way

Yes, I believe it is.

sandm
08-09-2012, 01:46 PM
I just picked up a couple of samson racks for the tower. ordered surf/surf for each side. dealer thought I was crazy :)

nate, nice looking boat. need to get some of those ordered out here. that will skew black as the popular color. not a lot of black out here due to the sun/heat, especially on the top deck..

wolfeman131
08-09-2012, 01:58 PM
Got a lot of blue & orange boats out there?

mnpracing
08-09-2012, 02:15 PM
The wheels are taller. With leaf springs you can't lower the trailer or the axle would hit the boat.

Not sure I follow. Overall diameter of the tires on 18" rims is more, which would require more fender clearance. On the torsions, i wonder if they just adjust the angle on the hubs. For the leafs, maybe they simply aren't tall enough for the clearance needed.

lewisb13
08-09-2012, 02:22 PM
It has to do wish the extra stress the 18 in rims put on the trailer "drivetrain". With the 14 inch rims the extra tire sidewall absorbs a lot of the shock. With the 18 inch rims much more stress is placed on the springs.

NateHaskovec
08-09-2012, 03:05 PM
Not sure I follow. Overall diameter of the tires on 18" rims is more, which would require more fender clearance. On the torsions, i wonder if they just adjust the angle on the hubs. For the leafs, maybe they simply aren't tall enough for the clearance needed.

What I mean is that the larger wheels cause the trailer to be higher off of the ground. You can accomodate this by lowering the torsion arm axles. You cannot with leaf springs because the axle would be in the way. If the trailer is too high off of the ground, it makes launch and recovery a nightmare, as well as making it unable to fit in garages.

mnpracing
08-09-2012, 03:11 PM
What I mean is that the larger wheels cause the trailer to be higher off of the ground. You can accomodate this by lowering the torsion arm axles. You cannot with leaf springs because the axle would be in the way. If the trailer is too high off of the ground, it makes launch and recovery a nightmare, as well as making it unable to fit in garages.

ah that makes sense, thanks.

sandm
08-09-2012, 04:32 PM
Got a lot of blue & orange boats out there?

2. one rinker that has been sitting since '09 as a new model. it'll never sell. 50k msrp down to 35k now, but I know they would take anything around 30k. it's an mtx210.
another customer at the 'bu/skiers dealer ordered a vlx in blue/orange and had a huge bsu logo put on to replace the weakesetter logo. it was ridonkulous. it was an '07/08 iirc. original owners had it for a year or so and traded it back in. dealer sold it again to someone just out of town. heard it's still around at some of the lakes 75miles from me, but haven't seen it in boise again.

remember, bsu fans are as fickle as they come. ranked in top5=stadium full. ranked outside top25=10,000 empty seats and tickets everywhere :)

Razzman
08-09-2012, 04:46 PM
I doubt the reason for the torsion-over-leafs has anything to do with stress or height. There's limited stress applied no matter what tire size and the tires height is matched to that of the stock 14" oem tire.

It's more than likely due to the fact that 18" tires have a wider cross section/aspect ratio, hence they need a wider wheel with a greater rear offset to accomodate the tire safely per the manufacturers specs. As trailers have limited clearance anyway that will move the tire/wheel inboard closer to the frame and leaf springs. The torsion axle/disc assembly will safely fit within the wheels greater rear offset without hitting anything allowing the combination to fit the trailer correctly per safety standards.

kaneboats
08-09-2012, 05:01 PM
Nah, can't be that. ;)

volfo
08-09-2012, 05:34 PM
That's a pretty boat. I think I really like the black windshield with the black tower.

I can't imagine the actual price for a well-equipped LSV would be as high as some of the indications here. That would bring a lot of competition into play. Typically, there should be a lot of room to negotiate from MSRP on a new boat purchase - at least in my somewhat limited experience. Yes, the MSRP fully loaded seems to be in teh range of what you can buy other boats for that are considered more expensive, but it is still a good bit below those boats' MSRP I think. If you can get similar discounts on both, the LSV would still be more cost-effective. Now if they are going for sticker whereas you can get $15k off a more expensive competitor, then you have to take that into account.

freshturk
08-09-2012, 09:41 PM
All this heckling over price i guess ill provide some numbers. Ordered my boat August 2012 with the following options
-v2 tower
-2 tower speakers and amp
-wakeplate
-g3 ballast
-splatter graphic
-digital cruise pro
-stainless rub rail
-pop up cleats
-dual battery
-tandem trailer
-spare tire

All for $47,700. I would think the 50k mark would be reasonable to shoot for, certainly not $65k.

Food for thought

lewisb13
08-09-2012, 09:54 PM
Well you certainly didn't get a 13 because the 13 doesn't have v2 tower as an option.

lewisb13
08-09-2012, 10:17 PM
All this heckling over price i guess ill provide some numbers. Ordered my boat August 2012 with the following options
-v2 tower
-2 tower speakers and amp
-wakeplate
-g3 ballast
-splatter graphic
-digital cruise pro
-stainless rub rail
-pop up cleats
-dual battery
-tandem trailer
-spare tire

All for $47,700. I would think the 50k mark would be reasonable to shoot for, certainly not $65k.

Food for thought

You mean 2011?

volfo
08-10-2012, 10:37 AM
Now that sounds more like I would think you could do on these boats. Comparably equipped 2-3% more for a '13 given the increase. I love the V2 tower by the way, I bet that is a killer looking boat!

kaneboats
08-10-2012, 12:19 PM
I still love the look of that tower too. I'd like to see some pics.

freshturk
08-10-2012, 03:40 PM
Sorry meant to say august 11,so the boat was a 2012, also had depth finder and bow filler cushion. Just was meant as a frame of reference for those talking price.

NateHaskovec
08-10-2012, 10:46 PM
Picked up my 13 today. I have to say, nearly everything I hated about my 08 VLX Gravity has been improved. The ballast bags all have their own pump which are reversible, so no more valves. The supply lines are huge. The bags fill approx 5 times faster than my old ones. The battery location makes the observers seat locker much roomier. The stereo remote is 1000 times better. The digital cruise has more features than my perfect pass did. My tandem trailer is on leaf springs (yes I had a broken torsion axle) and rides much nicer. The tower is SOLID! and folds down easily. The 650 ballast bags are standard. The decking is molded in to the upper structure vice being a big fiberglass sheet with carpet glued on. The carpet snaps out. The glove box is big enough for more storage. And despite being 1.5 feet shorter, feels just as roomy. Plus it now will fit in my garage.

Add that to the fact that I sold my XLV for more than I owed, and I am one happy customer!!

PS, the dealer says he surfed ropeless behind a demo model with stock ballast.

He claims the heavier design makes the wake bigger with less ballast, and the 650 in the rear is just enough to throw a curl with a decent pocket. I will be breaking in this weekend, but if I get some serious hours in tomorrow, I will try surfing Sunday. I ordered an 1100 just in case.:rolleyes:

jpetty3023
08-10-2012, 11:18 PM
Great write up Nate. Don't go to hard to soon with that new puppy thou


Sent from my home phone..

NateHaskovec
08-10-2012, 11:32 PM
Great write up Nate. Don't go to hard to soon with that new puppy thou


Sent from my home phone..

Thanks, and of course I meant my 08 XLV.. If I get out early, I will get the 10 hr break in done tomorrow. The only wakeboarders I will be pulling on Sunday are 58 and 52 lbs and at 15mph.

NateHaskovec
08-10-2012, 11:38 PM
And the overall best improvement over my XLV is the ratchet strap full cover. I know some of you have already had this luxury, but it beats the snap covers by a mile..

kaneboats
08-11-2012, 12:26 AM
Picked up my 13 today.

Prove it! :) Let's see some pics!!!!!

moombadaze
08-11-2012, 07:23 AM
Prove it! :) Let's see some pics!!!!!

exactly--picture proof

NateHaskovec
08-11-2012, 10:59 AM
15750

Heres one. Don't worry, I am going to follow the break in. I was just making sure my boards fit nicely.

kaneboats
08-11-2012, 11:22 AM
SNAP! That thing is sweet!

moombadaze
08-11-2012, 11:45 AM
Nice, very nice

WaterBullDawg1980
08-11-2012, 02:00 PM
Dig it! Very clean look.

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jmvotto
08-11-2012, 10:24 PM
Very nice,love the color combo

NateHaskovec
08-12-2012, 01:07 AM
Thanks guys. To those thinking the extra freeboard above the rail looks awkward.. Wait till you see it in the water. It looks sick!

NateHaskovec
08-12-2012, 06:57 PM
So it is confirmed... Stock ballast makes a surfable wake. I also had two adults on the surf side, but it was nice.

moombadaze
08-12-2012, 07:59 PM
Wait till you see it in the water. It looks sick!

now you can not just make a statement like this, with out PICTURES. Post some up pronto.

cab13367
08-13-2012, 03:34 PM
PS, the dealer says he surfed ropeless behind a demo model with stock ballast.


Nate, congrats on the new boat! She sounds like a beauty! I just wanted to comment on the above. I think the ability to surf ropeless has alot more to do with the rider than the boat. I say this because I have surfed ropeless behind my 2006 LSV with no ballast and just three people on the boat (the wife and two kids). It was an experiment - see the thread below. And my normal surf set up is a 750 in the rear locker and a 400 in the center locker which we can easily surf ropeless. Since the 2013 LSV is the same hull with a taller and heavier top deck, I am not surprised to hear that it throws a surfable wave with the stock 650 rear bag based on my experience with my 2006.

http://www.moomba.com/msgboard/showthread.php?12547-Surfed-with-no-ballast-today&highlight=surfing+ballast

NateHaskovec
08-13-2012, 04:08 PM
Nate, congrats on the new boat! She sounds like a beauty! I just wanted to comment on the above. I think the ability to surf ropeless has alot more to do with the rider than the boat. I say this because I have surfed ropeless behind my 2006 LSV with no ballast and just three people on the boat (the wife and two kids). It was an experiment - see the thread below. And my normal surf set up is a 750 in the rear locker and a 400 in the center locker which we can easily surf ropeless. Since the 2013 LSV is the same hull with a taller and heavier top deck, I am not surprised to hear that it throws a surfable wave with the stock 650 rear bag based on my experience with my 2006.

http://www.moomba.com/msgboard/showthread.php?12547-Surfed-with-no-ballast-today&highlight=surfing+ballast

I agree completely about the skill. I am coming from an 08 XLV GG and found the surf wake to be a huge bonus when I switched to the LSV. I pulled people who have been surfing for years with the XLV and stock ballast, and none could ride the wake. Most of my friends including me, could surf my old boat with an extra sac.

My buddy who has tried countless times behind my XLV never could surf ropeless. He did within two minutes behind my LSV and rode for about 3-4 minutes.

jmvotto
08-13-2012, 04:26 PM
the new lsv is heavier as well, did you ever load a 750 or 1100 in the xlv?

NateHaskovec
08-20-2012, 08:18 AM
now you can not just make a statement like this, with out PICTURES. Post some up pronto.

15824

Sorry I couldnt get the whole boat in the shot. I only brought my 70-200mm lens for wakeboarding shots..

wolfeman131
08-20-2012, 08:37 AM
WOW! That is one good looking boat!