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jmvotto
09-17-2012, 10:34 AM
Got a new 2012 suburban Lt in July, just got the oil changed today and GM has some crazy Dexos systentic mandate wihich twice as expensive as the regular oil. it last 6,000 mile but WTH.

mmandley
09-17-2012, 10:47 AM
Thats what i like to call reading the fine print my friend. Several Dealers are doing this now because it keeps the vechicle in there shop for service and repair. Prolonging the money they get from you.

exp. My Victory takes speacial Victory oil, full sythetic but its only sold by the Victory dealers because this stuff not only runs in the engine but in the trans as well. If you use other then Victory oil you run the risk of ruining the clutch in the trans.

The oil filter and oil is like 60 bucks off the shelf at the dealer, or i pay 65 to have the dealer change my oil. So i just take it to the dealer. Worst part is my oil only lasts 2500 miles due to the trans. On the newer 2010 up models they introduced a new trans and it goes 5K on oil changes.

Speaking of oil changes the rig needs an oil change, thats about 100 bucks if i do it myself.
15qts of full synthetic and 20 bucks for the oil filter, but i should change my fuel filters and thats another 50 bucks...the joys of owning Diesels LOL.

sandm
09-17-2012, 11:13 AM
as mike states, it's all designed to keep you coming back to that dealer.
it's just like the boats when you look at the plug that was on the top of my supra engine it stated only some pennzoil marine oil, but in reality there are many oils that will fit the bill and many recommendations posted on this board just for that issue.
it will be the same with your chevy and with mike' victory. none of those oils have some magical mystery ingredient that makes them only work in that vehicle. the key is to do your reasearch and figure out what the engine really needs to function properly and find an oil that fits the bill.

now my take: if it's a new product, just like my new boat, I'm a diy guy, but I'll have the oil changed and pay the extra cash from the dealer until the warranty is gone. a dealer will be MUCH more excited to help you with a warranty claim if they have been doing the service. the few exta $$'s in oil changes until warranty runs out is worth having that service manager on your side.

ga-lsv05
09-17-2012, 12:51 PM
What sandm said exactly I'm in service and if you've never visited before you only come in for a warranty issue, I'm not going out of my way to help you.

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patrick232
09-17-2012, 02:00 PM
Got a new 2012 suburban Lt in July, just got the oil changed today and GM has some crazy Dexos systentic mandate wihich twice as expensive as the regular oil. it last 6,000 mile but WTH.

How does to Suburban tow the boat?

I'm looking at a leftover LT with the 3.42 rear end and a Yukon with a 3.08 rear end.

Just don't want to little power coming from a 1500 Crew with the 6.2 liter and a 3.42 rear end

mmandley
09-17-2012, 02:16 PM
How does to Suburban tow the boat?

I'm looking at a leftover LT with the 3.42 rear end and a Yukon with a 3.08 rear end.

Just don't want to little power coming from a 1500 Crew with the 6.2 liter and a 3.42 rear end
I wouldnt tow with a 3.08 rear end. it will kill you.

3.42 is a better option but honestly if you plan to tow you want the 3.73 in it.
Taller the ratio the more low end pulling power, less top end and low milage.

Boonejeepin
09-17-2012, 02:44 PM
Agreed. You do not want the 3.08 gear ratio.

maxpower220
09-17-2012, 02:53 PM
Just check the rating for the oil specified by the manufacturer, some other company out there will make an oil that meets or exceeds it for a lot less money than your dealer is selling. I am a DIYer for just about everything.


Funny, almost every motorcycle uses the engine oil in the tranny, there are very few bikes that have seperate oil/tranny cases. That is why you shouldn't use car oil in them.

My local Ford dealer sends me "coupons" for $19 oil and filter changes with semi-syn oil. So, the wifes Fusion goes there for the last few times.

jmvotto
09-17-2012, 03:11 PM
How does to Suburban tow the boat?

I'm looking at a leftover LT with the 3.42 rear end and a Yukon with a 3.08 rear end.

Just don't want to little power coming from a 1500 Crew with the 6.2 liter and a 3.42 rear end

Fine, I guess this is my fourth burb and all have had the towing package. That is as far as I have looked. I tow 90 miles each way twice a year over some pretty steep hills. No problems.

ga-lsv05
09-17-2012, 03:23 PM
Cost me $150 to change the oil and filters in my truck and I do it myself

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bergermaister
09-17-2012, 04:19 PM
I'm looking at a leftover LT with the 3.42 rear end and a Yukon with a 3.08 rear end.


I have 3.42 gears, granted mine is a bit older, and they suck ass for towing. That was before I went to a bigger tire, making them even worse. Unless you like driving around in 2nd gear all the time - including some hills out on highway/freeway - I'd go min 3.73's.

maxpower220
09-17-2012, 04:34 PM
The 6 speed tranny really helps out in the newer GMs. I have the 3.42 in my Avy and it tows just fine. As with anything, you will always want more power.

patrick232
09-17-2012, 05:38 PM
I know the 3.42 is the way to go, since it's the highest they put in it.
Here are the 2 trucks

http://www.coughlincarsgroup.com/new/Chevrolet/2012-Chevrolet-Suburban-b87eff540a0d048e00327ceebdb5b44f.htm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKS33B6czyQ&feature=youtu.be

The GMC does look sweet.

rdlangston13
09-17-2012, 06:38 PM
15 qts of synthetic and filter only run you 100 bucks? I'm out almost 80 for 7 qts and a filter for my truck.


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ga-lsv05
09-17-2012, 06:54 PM
I work at. Dealer and that was $150 for oil, oil filter, and both fuel filters

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maxpower220
09-17-2012, 08:45 PM
Take at least $8K off of sticker, but you should be able to get up to $10K off.


I know the 3.42 is the way to go, since it's the highest they put in it.
Here are the 2 trucks

http://www.coughlincarsgroup.com/new/Chevrolet/2012-Chevrolet-Suburban-b87eff540a0d048e00327ceebdb5b44f.htm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKS33B6czyQ&feature=youtu.be

The GMC does look sweet.

patrick232
09-17-2012, 09:23 PM
Take at least $8K off of sticker, but you should be able to get up to $10K off.

I'm hoping for $10k most dealers are stuck at $7-$8k. Found one with $10k off per add but dealer baited and switched. If you know of a dealer giving $10k let me know.

Now back to the oil change cost why with no change for the past 5 years in engine do they require a different brand of oil?

jmvotto
09-17-2012, 10:06 PM
I'm hoping for $10k most dealers are stuck at $7-$8k. Found one with $10k off per add but dealer baited and switched. If you know of a dealer giving $10k let me know.


Great prices, not that far of a drive to western ny.
http://www.simmons-rockwell.com/chevrolet/c12-210?p=1&vehicleModel=Suburban

http://www.simmons-rockwell.com/gmc/g12-193?p=1&vehicleModel=Yukon

maxpower220
09-18-2012, 09:37 AM
There have been some changes in oil to a different viscocity in order to reduce friction/drag and make the engine more effecient. Mostly in an effort to increase fuel economy in the overall scheme.

mmandley
09-18-2012, 01:16 PM
15 qts of synthetic and filter only run you 100 bucks? I'm out almost 80 for 7 qts and a filter for my truck.


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1gal of Rotella T6 at Walmart 21 bucks.
I buy 4 gallons, and filter is 18 bucks. So technically its 102. LOL But every 4th oil change its 80 bucks.