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mmandley
10-16-2012, 11:44 AM
2013 Mooba Mojo
Is it a Wake board boat?
Is it a Wake Surf boat?
Is it a Cross over boat?

So many people ask these questions when looking at the Mojo. So few seem to know exactly what to think it is good at. I think this might be because its not defined as well as it should be by the manufacturer. I think its been thrown out to the public as a 22.5 foot boat that can do it all and its the perfect size for the family.

Well i will say that was my thoughts on this boat in Jan 2012 when i saw the first one at the Portland Boat show. AWS had it sitting on blocks on the floor to you could see inside easily. This is a great thing but ill admit it takes away from the freeboard depth of this boat.

I will be honest and admit as i have said several times about the Mojo. I dont like the looks of the dash, i dont like the looks of the unfinished rear seat, and i really hated the HUGE looking nose.

Changes for the 2013 Mojo, new chrome bezels on the dash guages. New Optional Gel Coloring on the nose and a new sporty looking steering wheel.

The overal dash didnt change much but the new Bezels really make the dash look more appealing to me. The steering wheel looks a lot better, not as cheap looking anylonger.

Best 2013 improvement-- Color Nose option.

Ill be honest here, brutally honest, I'm in the market to buy a boat, and Moomba was completly off the list, nothing in the Moomba line was attracting me. LSV might be redone but its Top Hlaf only, still 21.5 ft so it wasnt an option as we need a larger boat. OBV great boat but the same reason as the LSV not big enough. The XLV is last year 2012 and i dont want a 24 just yet so that wasnt an option. Last comes the Mojo, size fits the bill, i can get past the dash and the rear seat, but i cant get past the nose.

Some have said but Mike, its the nose, you cant see it when your in the boat. Your right i cant, but i see it in my rear view when im towing. I love to look at my rear view and see my boat back there and this big ugly white nose on a boat wasnt going to cut it.

Other issue for me is that since the nose only came in white, that means your almost locked into a white interior which isnt an option to me eigher.

Ok i think i punched the Mojo in the nose enough.

The rest of this boat was really amazing. Walking up to it on the dock, it looks big, roomy, and nice. As you walk up you see how large the Bow is, with the way Moomba did the bow its got the room of a classic pickle fork but not the look wth the smooth wrap around lines of the nose.

When looking at the rear of the boat in the water, you see as Scott mentioned the rear end is huge. Its a large close to 3ft step from the top deck to the swim step. You almost need a step in the rear of the boat to make it easier. I think you see a lot of people just crawl on and off the sun deck lol.

Getting into the boat is no different then your typical LSV or XLV, inside freeboard is perfect and you have a nice large 9inch height off the floor to the seats.

Upholstry on this boat is top notch, its not as fancy as say a Z3, or a MC with all the entricate sew patterns but its quality matieral and feels nice to the touch. It wasnt super soft or hard, it felt just right actually. I also said this several times to people, i rode in the Centurion Enzo 244, and the Supreme 226. The Mojo interior not only looked the same it felt the same as in vinyl grade. I dont think Moomba skimed in this department.

Looking threw the rest of the boat, all the compartments are deep. V drives are crazy deep. Shane had 1100 bags in the back. These are the kind more the like the 400s, long but not as tall. You could easily fit the standard 1100 most of us use back in the V and then have more room for another 400-500 sac under the seats. Duel batteries are moved back to where the old cooler location was at. The typical cubby was large and had your stereo and charging gear placed.

Foot room under the helm was large as well, tall like the XLV but they have a panel in place so you dont see into the bow. I didnt have time to investigate it to much but i one think i didnt like the look of is its not straight up and down. It has an angle changing from carpet to fiberglass. This concerns me for ease of subwoofer placement.

Drivers area is very large. Shane is 6.3 if i recall and even him sitting there hes not bunched up or crowded looking. The swivel drivers seat if nice and has the bolster that pops up to give extra seat hight.

Behind the driver you have the typical seat with storage under it as well.

Bow was standard bow style with a center cushion that rides on the edges of the walkthrew so no leg in the walkway to be in your way. Excellent place for your bumpers or riders vests to be easy each but out of the way.

On to the real stuff we all want to know, how does it drive and Surf?

Driving this boat is exactly like my 08 LSV, the difference in feel is really just this boat feels so solid. I mean it feels not heavy, but very incontrol in the water. When you hit rollers, there is no violent slamming or harsh hitting from roller to roller. It cuts threw and lands reach roller with a solid thud. Turning the boat feels very solid and the boat still rolls over like you expect but at no point did the water get near the rub rails.

Power was smooth and the boat wasnt loud at all. It was the new Indmar 5.7 350hp <surf motor> i think its bubed. I think it has a larger or different shaped oil pan but i cant recall so dont quote me on that. It looks really nice with the Blue intake and air filter right in the open, nice change from the plastic engine cover.

To surf we set it up with 1100 in Reg position rear, then infloor 400 hard tank filled. Surfed it and once i realized the IBS wasnt full we filled that. Scott <sandm> rode first and you can see his thoughts in his post on the matter. His friend Sue rode and Loved the wave. I wasnt running video when she was screaming to her husband she wants to buy the boat LOL. Sue is a super nice and funny lady and very animatted when she surfs with lots of woohps and hollers, you know shes is enjoying her ride.

I have to say i was impressed when the surf wave came up because the boat is barely leaning <listed> over. We had a slight tilt but nothing like our LSV or any other boat i have been in surfing. Thats has to be about 10 boats this year alone.

Also another interesting and impressive point, when driving this boat loaded for surfing the nose ride low, not high like most. You can easily see over the nose to see whats infront of you. I hate using the seat bolster and there is no need. You can sit normal in the boat and see just fine over the nose.

I rode on the wave next.

Mind you in the pictures we have a Wake Board rope, i forgot mine and so did Shane, so we did what we had to. He bought a wakeboard rope in the Marina store lol.

My first impressions were this wave is pretty big. Naturally with the weight we are running. The wave had decent push and a clean wave with ok length. I kept noticing i was riding closer to the back of the swim deck then i like. In my LSV i can surf at least a full board length behind the platform and i have push 15ft back. I really liked the Mojo wave for being right out of the factory but it needs tweeking as almost all boats do.

When i was done surfing my feelings were mixed to be honest. I was almost wondering if i made a mistake selling mine.

mmandley
10-16-2012, 11:44 AM
Did you know the site ahs a 10,000 word limit on a post?

I do now....

I know i really love the interior layout and like the boat colors, with the nose color option. I am not going to talk about the tower. I will say i really liked it but its a PROTOTYPE and that means the factory isnt making them for the average customer. This is why i wont talk about it, its in the pictures though.

We fliped the boat over for Claudia to surf next. The boat switches sides very fast, expected with the jabsco style pumps.

She went out and surfed. The goofy side took a little playing with to get it cleaned up. We have to adjust speed, wake plate and move people around a little. The Mojo just like the LSV is finicky on the goofy side and honestly i think it just needs more weight. We didnt have it though lol.

Once we found a good speed and wake plate setting the goofy cleaned up decent and Claudia surfed it. It it took a bit to get used to it as any new boat does. I personally was concerned with how close she was surfing to the boat also. I felt for her the same as myself it didnt have the long pocket i expect.

After a few pulls she droped back and surfed in the rear of the pocket and i felt much better about it.
I mean honestly, if she isnt happy with her wave its going to break the deal, all men know or should know if she isnt happy no one is.

When Claudia was done she said " Its got potential, we need the boat for a weekend and we will get it right"

This is huge comming from her, because she will say pretty quickly its better then our boat or not even close LOL. So i take this as close with the ability to be better.

This was the end of the day, and daylight. Shane insisted i take another pull, i asked if i could weight the boat the way i prefer and he said sure.

I prefer weight in both sides of my LSV.
we went with

Port side 1100
Starboard side 350 ish <37%> on thje guage.
Center 400
IBS full 600

Ran it up to speed cleaned it up and i surfed it.

WOW whole nother wave at this point. The push it was missing was there and i was way back in the wave. Much more impressive then my first ride. I still think the boat needs 1500 in the rear and at least 1500 in the nose. I think this boat wants a ton a weight. Even the way we had it set up the rubrail was 6inches + out of the water when we all sat on that side. This boat has huge freeboard.

Lastly and almost always forgotten is the Trailer.
Once we were done for the day and the boat was on the trailer i was dumb founded how large this boat really is.

Its every bit as big on its trailer as a SA450 is. Standing next to the boat its a solid 5ft to the gunnel. Looking at Shanes Suburban pulling the boat, his truck was looking a little small LOL. I wasnt able to get the hieght of the boat on the trailer to see if it fits in a 7ft garage but my expectation looking at it is No. The length is surprising as the trailer has the break away tongue right at the boats nose, so the actually length you need in the garage is still right at 23 feet without the swim deck. Very nice layout.

Now to my last part, section, reminds me of Footbal season and the COME ON MAN!!! Coment.

Swim Deck mounting.
Still the same ole crappy mounts Moomba has been using for years that we all complain about. The swim deck was rattling more then my 4 season old LSV. IDK about price saving on a 60K boat, why hasnt this been fixed on the Moomba line? The SA has the PERFECT brackets. IDK if it costs me 500 more for them add them already.

COME ON MAN!!!!

mmandley
10-16-2012, 11:46 AM
Walking up on the dock the colored nose really looks nice.
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My custom Soulcraft Board actually fits in the surf rack.
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More surf racks.
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Rear with its freeboard depth

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mmandley
10-16-2012, 11:47 AM
The man, mith and legend Scott the <Sandm>
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Dash
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mmandley
10-16-2012, 11:49 AM
Observers seat working out way back.. Forgot to mention above, look at the fancy gloove box they added. Very nice looking and tons of room inside. The stereo is housed offset to the left and then you have the normal space below plus a shelf up top to store more things like wallets.

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mmandley
10-16-2012, 11:51 AM
1100lbs long sac, with room for another sac on top, or you can add nets to store ropes or other things on.
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Random misplaced pic of the drivers area LOL.
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What we are going to surf.

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mmandley
10-16-2012, 11:53 AM
Sandm surfing

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mmandley
10-16-2012, 11:54 AM
More surfing.
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Sue surfing.
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Me
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mmandley
10-16-2012, 11:54 AM
Claudia surfing.

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wolfeman131
10-16-2012, 11:57 AM
we went with

Port side 1100
Starboard side 350 ish <37%> on the guage.
Center 400
IBS full 600

Ran it up to speed cleaned it up and i surfed it.

WOW whole nother wave at this point. The push it was missing was there and i was way back in the wave. Much more impressive then my first ride.


Why didn't you just start with this setup?!?!?!?

You also forgot the 370 tube under the port seats somebody mentioned to you. :)

mmandley
10-16-2012, 12:03 PM
Lastly to the review of the Mojo as im sure your tired of listening to me LOL.

My initial thoughts on the Mojo were ok nice boat, not what i want at all. To WOW really nice boat, deff could see it behind my rig and this boat is a ton moe then its being advertised as.

Me and Scott both hammered this point home to Shane. Over and over and over again.

SC needs to market the Mojo as the SC Surf boat. Not a wake board boat, not a do all family boat.

SC has that in everyboat they make. The Mojo is losing ground fast to the Family boat. Who gives a rats tail about a family boat at this point? No one because every boat SC makes is dubed as that. This is the best thing SC has to a wake surf boat and the market is HOT HOT for surfing and SC better get this info out there and start drawing in that crowd that wants a surf boat but doesnt want to spend 80K.

I spent the weekend at the Polar Bear event and i rode in
Pavati boat.
Ski Supreme 226V
Centurion 244
Tige Z3
i passed on the Sanger 237

I looked threw all the boats, herd all the comments, and rode in 4 out of the 5 and even though i didnt surf them the Mojo would have been a serious contender. Fit, finish, wave quality for looks were all on par with the big boy SURF boats costing 5-30K more then a Mojo.

The worst thing was about the event was people really wanted to ride the Mojo. Not because its a Mojo but because its a Moomba. No one there owned a Moomba except me that i know of. Most of them turned there nose up at a Moomba like most of us do about a Bayliner as a surf boat. It was comical at times and exptreamly frustrating at others. I had to stay even keeled and not push the Moomba brand because i have to stay open minded to others thoughts and reasoning at this event.

All i can say is when Sunday came and the Sanger didnt show up, if the mojo could have been there is would have been a game changer.

mmandley
10-16-2012, 12:06 PM
Why didn't you just start with this setup?!?!?!?

You also forgot the 370 tube under the port seats somebody mentioned to you. :)

Because i wanted to know what the boat can do with plug and play the average person would run with.
Also i wasnt the first rider and when you weight the boat opposite side you need to ride to see how it does.
I also was taking Shanes word it was a killer wave the way its believed in, you wight one side not both.
370 tube? I dont recall that one. The 1100 he had went from the back of the boat to the batteries, and there was no room in the cubby unless i unloaded everything.

If we had more time, if i hadnt been 2 hours late we could have played more LOL. He had another bag in the rear but we were losing daylight.

jpetty3023
10-16-2012, 12:16 PM
That's what I was wondering!!! That mojo gettin beast mode creds now!


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wolfeman131
10-16-2012, 12:19 PM
You did see the board Shane brought with him, right?

SO, you should have immediately dismissed whatever he said and done what I told ya to do! :)

Guess it's time for me to get the Mojo ballast install thread up.

rdlangston13
10-16-2012, 03:45 PM
no review at all of the wake board wake??


FAIL

wolfeman131
10-16-2012, 03:48 PM
David,

They were at the Wake9 Polar Bear event which is 100% focused on wakesurfing.

jpetty3023
10-16-2012, 04:02 PM
wasn't a wakeboard event brother. surf specific


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sandm
10-16-2012, 04:04 PM
we had one guy in our boat that mentioned wakeboarding and I though he was going to get thrown overboard :)

rdlangston13
10-16-2012, 08:57 PM
Man what's the world coming to??


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wolfeman131
10-16-2012, 09:01 PM
It's coming to wakesurfing. Duh.


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rdlangston13
10-16-2012, 09:44 PM
I'm too young for that bizness!


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rdlangston13
10-16-2012, 10:06 PM
Oh and new issue with the mojo!

I will admit the boat is growing on me alot more since I saw one at the dealer but I still have a few issues! One still being the helm, and the newest one are the bow cup holders. The idea of the big now in my min is to allow two to three adults to sit up there, leaning against the front looking back at the rider. The mojo cup holders are right where your rump should be sitting with two or three people wide facing backwards.

This is my new biggest complaint, the dash isn't THAT bad but this NEEDS to be addressed


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mmandley
10-16-2012, 10:25 PM
You will be hard pressed to find many boats with cup holders up in front that really work well, most are in the walkway or up by the windshield, neigher places work well for people sitting up front.

The fix to this is more suction cup coozies.

Boonejeepin
10-16-2012, 10:42 PM
The fix to this is more suction cup coozies.

Quick and easy fix.

Canuckle Head
10-16-2012, 10:48 PM
What was that Pavati like Mike? You go for a ride behind that bad boy?

mmandley
10-16-2012, 10:59 PM
What was that Pavati like Mike? You go for a ride behind that bad boy?

I did not surf behind it. I ride in the rear seat though. It's a cool boat, it's a wake board boat first and foremost. They really want to break into surfing because the owner has gotten hurt allot wake boarding. I think once they change the swim deck mounts the surf wave will be pretty sweet. It's tall with way more push them you need from what riders said. Over all for a new boat lures then a year old it's doing great.

rdlangston13
10-16-2012, 11:18 PM
You will be hard pressed to find many boats with cup holders up in front that really work well, most are in the walkway or up by the windshield, neigher places work well for people sitting up front.

The fix to this is more suction cup coozies.

This is not a fix as half your butt will still be falling into a hole between cushions where a cup holder rests. I have not seen another boat with cup holders placed exactly where you need to sit.

wolfeman131
10-16-2012, 11:42 PM
Wow.

Has Lon hacked your account, David?


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rca
10-17-2012, 12:01 AM
The fix to this is more suction cup coozies.

I need some of these. Where these from a group buy in the past?

wolfeman131
10-17-2012, 12:11 AM
I need some of these. Where these from a group buy in the past?

Ron,

Yes. Ian "king coozie" Ashton did it twice a few yrs ago. This year, the Bromance Team of Dusty & KG put together a group buy but went with the conventional kind.


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KG's Supra24
10-17-2012, 10:24 AM
Being that you just came out of the SA recently ... I gotta ask. Is there anything to compare between the two? Does the interior and finish justify the price difference?

wolfeman131
10-17-2012, 10:48 AM
While you didn't direct his at me, I'll answer anyway . . . .

Yes, the SA is simply decked out with "more." More billet, the Supra VISION system, more intricate vinyl patterns/stiching, better factory audio system, nicer switches, power driver's seat, flip up/hinged seats, etc.

The SA rides a lot different, too. The hull design allows that boat to ride like it's on rails with very little list/lean even when loaded and/or making hard turns.

But, the BIG question is: is it worth it?

That, my friend, is all in the eye of the beholder.

KG's Supra24
10-17-2012, 10:57 AM
But, the BIG question is: is it worth it?

That, my friend, is all in the eye of the beholder.

Very true. It does sound like they are different, not just in finish but performance as well.

bergermaister
10-17-2012, 11:25 AM
The idea of the big now in my min is to allow two to three adults to sit up there, leaning against the front looking back at the rider.


This is one of the biggest complaints I had with the Supreme 226 Surf edition -they are sloped so if you even tried to sit like this you slide down into the middle in a pile or end up laying almost flat looking up at the sky. At least with the Mojo it's an easy fix!

mmandley
10-17-2012, 11:29 AM
I see some comparison between the two but its not things that matter to most.

As Drew said, he hit the nail on the head with the differences.

The other thing you have to remember is the SA 450 is almost a 10K engine upgrade.

As for the boat its self, the bow are simular in space, the interior is actaully bigger feeling in the Mojo for a 22.5 boat, this i think is in part because the SA has a section behind the drivers seat that has a trash can in it and that takes up space.

Free board in the interior of the SA is on par with the Mojo, the hinged seats and materials the seats are made from are higher end in the Supra. This should be expected but its not to take away that the mojo isnt nice because its very nice. I think its nicer then my LSV interior as for quality.

The Tower on the SA is extreamly stout and dont move at all. The Prototype tower on the Mojo is just the same, stout doesnt move at all. SOOO much nicer then the factory tower on the Mojo. I as well as Shane are really hopping SC will move to the Skylon tower on the they had on the Mojo i was in.

i complained about the swim deck on the Mojo rattling already, well it appears theres an optional fix. It might have been on the Mojo and i missed it but i saw it on the 2013 LSV.

The LSV brackets have 4 screw in pins that apply pressure on the swim deck to stop the rattling. They made dog ears on the boat side of the bracket and added the screw in pins there. Very nice to see them attempting something to fix the rattling. Also this bracket looks identicle to the older ones and looks like a item you can buy and upgrade your brackets with.

Another thing different is the SA is a throttle by wire, not cable. The SA is just a servo sending a signal, much like the modern gas peddel in a car.

The Mojo is still a cable running back to the engine to control throttle so it feels heavier and not as advanced as the SA.

Lastly the Supra line is getting Metal Flake added this year, the Moomba line is not. I dont like this as the Metal Flake really sets the boat off and almost all the boat manufactures are using this and it really makes the boat pop and sparkle on the water.

bergermaister
10-17-2012, 11:35 AM
Another thing different is the SA is a throttle by wire, not cable. The SA is just a servo sending a signal, much like the modern gas peddel in a car.

The Mojo is still a cable running back to the engine to control throttle so it feels heavier and not as advanced as the SA.

Did you like the feel of the TBW? I kind of like the tension in the cable system. My buddy's Malibu is TBW and touchy as hell to drive.

mnpracing
10-17-2012, 11:41 AM
Did you like the feel of the TBW? I kind of like the tension in the cable system. My buddy's Malibu is TBW and touchy as hell to drive.

isn't the cable just to engage the transmission? The throttle should be all electronic, no?

mmandley
10-17-2012, 11:41 AM
Did you like the feel of the TBW? I kind of like the tension in the cable system. My buddy's Malibu is TBW and touchy as hell to drive.

Honestly i like both. I think the cable system is better for new people to learn on because its not as sinsitive. I know each time i get in a new boat im super gently with the throttle till i figure it out.

Neigher option would be a deal breaker to me.

I can say that i really liked the power seat in the SA, not a must to me but i liked it. Claudia LOVED IT as well as the heated seat. For her its a nice novelty option and not a deal breaker.

The rotating seat as standard now in Mojo and i believe all Moombas is a sweet upgrade.

Boonejeepin
10-17-2012, 11:44 AM
I am sure you could add a seat heater pad for not too much $$$ to any seat. I think the heater pads are about $100 then you would some wiring and switches. Removal and reinstall o the seat vinyl would be DIY for some and a trip to an upholstery shop for others.

mmandley
10-17-2012, 11:48 AM
isn't the cable just to engage the transmission? The throttle should be all electronic, no?

Honestly im not positive. I want to say no, the cable not only engages the trans but it also controls the throttle butterfly on the intake. I only say this because its the same tension threw the entire travel but im really not positive.

I have driven a few boats that have tight spots in the reverse and forward sections just after its in gear in order to add throttle and this makes me lean to being a cable to control engine rpm as well.

I will look in my boat today when i go switch some of the ballast around for the new owner. I have to remove 2 450 bags, 2 Y valves, and relocate the fill lines to the 900 bags lol. I roll deeper then the new owner wants to LOL.

mnpracing
10-17-2012, 11:50 AM
Honestly im not positive. I want to say no, the cable not only engages the trans but it also controls the throttle butterfly on the intake. I only say this because its the same tension threw the entire travel but im really not positive.

I have driven a few boats that have tight spots in the reverse and forward sections just after its in gear in order to add throttle and this makes me lean to being a cable to control engine rpm as well.

I will look in my boat today when i go switch some of the ballast around for the new owner. I have to remove 2 450 bags, 2 Y valves, and relocate the fill lines to the 900 bags lol. I roll deeper then the new owner wants to LOL.

My '08 had the cable for the tranny, but not the throttle.

wolfeman131
10-17-2012, 01:32 PM
from 08 forward, Moombas are DBW.

from 13 forward, the swivel seat is standard in the LSV & Mojo, but not Outback or Outback V.

rdlangston13
10-17-2012, 09:27 PM
I see some comparison between the two but its not things that matter to most.

As Drew said, he hit the nail on the head with the differences.

The other thing you have to remember is the SA 450 is almost a 10K engine upgrade.

As for the boat its self, the bow are simular in space, the interior is actaully bigger feeling in the Mojo for a 22.5 boat.

mike I've not yet been in an SA but by the pictures I've seen the bow looks fairly flat as far as seatig goes across the front allowing two or three adults to sit up there facing back comfortably and the cup holders are off to the side, no right under your butt.

The mojo angles in slightly at the front and would funnel 2 or 3 people on top of each other, and you would be sitting on a hole in the seat cushions where a cup holder is

This may not sound like a big deal I some but it is a huge deal breaker to me. The whole purpose of a pickle fork IMO is to allow two or three adults to sit up front facing the rear comfortably and the Mojo doesn't seem like it accomplishes this. MC has it right, the seat cushion backs in the front are molded to fit three individual bodies in, not saying moomba should go to that mug detail but at least make it flat across there


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mmandley
10-17-2012, 09:52 PM
mike I've not yet been in an SA but by the pictures I've seen the bow looks fairly flat as far as seatig goes across the front allowing two or three adults to sit up there facing back comfortably and the cup holders are off to the side, no right under your butt.

The mojo angles in slightly at the front and would funnel 2 or 3 people on top of each other, and you would be sitting on a hole in the seat cushions where a cup holder is

This may not sound like a big deal I some but it is a huge deal breaker to me. The whole purpose of a pickle fork IMO is to allow two or three adults to sit up front facing the rear comfortably and the Mojo doesn't seem like it accomplishes this. MC has it right, the seat cushion backs in the front are molded to fit three individual bodies in, not saying moomba should go to that mug detail but at least make it flat across there


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WOW huh..You lost me at MC....

I sat in the front of the Mojo and the SA, the space is simular trust me on that. Sure the SA is slightly larger but thats the meaning of simular..Not exact but close.

The Mojo i was in had the center cusion just the same as the SA so no hanging your arse off the seats.

Yes the SA had cup holders on the sides but most boats dont they are in the walkway at the base of the center seat.

I frankly done give a rats tail about the bow space in a boat. I thought i did when buying the LSV but hardly ever does anyone sit up there when we are under way. They sit there to relax when idle and floating.

Truthfully id rather see SC move to the windshield forward design and give the extra room in the cabin.

Boonejeepin
10-17-2012, 10:24 PM
I frankly done give a rats tail about the bow space in a boat. I thought i did when buying the LSV but hardly ever does anyone sit up there when we are under way. They sit there to relax when idle and floating.

Truthfully id rather see SC move to the windshield forward design and give the extra room in the cabin.

I agree completely. Bow space is nice for the ladies but I never sit in the bow.

Unless...... I am acting as human ballast for Berg.

rdlangston13
10-18-2012, 02:43 AM
Here is what I am talking about. And I do not typically sit in the bow either but we do frequently have people who like to sit up there while people ride. Especially Heidi if there is like 4 guys and only two girls, the girls like to go up front and hang out. Whats the point in a pickle fork if I cannot fit anymore people up front facing rewards comfortable than I can in my LSV with a traditional bow?

http://i1130.photobucket.com/albums/m523/rdlangston13/moomba-mojo-25.jpg

http://i1130.photobucket.com/albums/m523/rdlangston13/securedownload7.jpg

rdlangston13
10-18-2012, 03:10 AM
another perspective of what I am talking about...

http://i1130.photobucket.com/albums/m523/rdlangston13/mojointerior.jpg

http://i1130.photobucket.com/albums/m523/rdlangston13/sainterior.jpg

mcdye
10-18-2012, 08:31 AM
Not to hijack, but for 2013 it appears they have moved the Mojo cup holders to the side.

patrick232
10-18-2012, 08:47 AM
Not to hijack, but for 2013 it appears they have moved the Mojo cup holders to the side.

That's customer service, David had a concern about the cup holders and they fixed it within a day wow. Just joking, but I see his point and love the fix. I had the concern about the anchor pullers (kids) stepping in the hole.

mmandley
10-18-2012, 08:50 AM
Your not hijacking mcdye.

I see your point Dave, but the 2013 Model has address part of those problems. This is why i was having a hard time following you because the 13 i was in looks like this.

http://i639.photobucket.com/albums/uu114/mmandley/DSC_0250.jpg

rdlangston13
10-18-2012, 09:33 AM
Well that is a WHOLE lot better! I have not seen a 2013 yet I guess but that's a huge improvement! Now they just need to flatten the backrest out in the front a tad more and I'll put in my order!

Ha I wish (about being able to put in an order)


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beat taco
10-18-2012, 10:43 AM
Truthfully id rather see SC move to the windshield forward design and give the extra room in the cabin.

And the boatvan was born!

jmvotto
10-20-2012, 10:57 PM
Why are there indents on either side of the bow on top of the fiberglass


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rdlangston13
10-20-2012, 11:09 PM
Flat surface to step on when boarding from the bow from an elevated surface such as a dock or pier


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jmvotto
10-20-2012, 11:15 PM
Flat surface to step on when boarding from the bow from an elevated surface such as a dock or pier


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Gotcha.should have sea dek or non slip something..

wolfeman131
10-20-2012, 11:31 PM
You can order a "non slip" pkg that puts material there, under the helm and along the gunwales. There may be another spot where it goes, but I can't remember.


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slingo
12-11-2012, 10:21 PM
Hi guys...new to the forum, but in the process of negotiating for a 2013 Mojo and snooping for more info. REALLY enjoyed reading the thorough write up. Thanks for that. I'm excided to hear about the surfing possibilities with the Mojo, but as that won't be our primary activity, I've one note to pass on about the cross-over a.k.a family boat concept...won't mean diddly doo if you only surf, but some of you may find this useful:

My wife and I slalom ski really hard at dawn and dusk. (not on a course...we have buddies on a private ski lake for that. :->) The rest of the time we're on our hydrofoils hitting big air inverts. Naturally the wake requirements for these two things are always diametrically opposed. We wanted a bigger boat for hydrofoiling and wakeboaring, but weren't willing to sacrifice the slalom wake we were getting from our 2005 Moomba Outback (direct drive). I've tried skiing behind several larger V-drives, including a Supra 21V recently and didn't like it at all...no matter what we tried to make the wake softer and smaller, it sucked.

Enter the Mojo. My boat shop guy (also a Supra/Moomba rep) as been hearning me whine about this dilema for 8 years. Then late this summer he said..."hey, bring your skis over and try this new boat. I think you might like it." When he showed it to me and told me it was 22.5' (and looks like 25' on the trailer!) I litterally laughed. Surely he was yanking my chain!

He wasn't. We motored over to a quite, glassy cove, I jumped in, the line drew taught, the engine picked up and out I popped. Smooth, fast, and easy. (the 345hp upgrade "surf" engine works.) "OK, so far so good" I thought, but let's see about that wake." We were running 34mph, 15 off, zero ballast, plate down, and I'm 6'5", 200lbs. I pulled out wide left...lined up, then dug in hard and........foof foof. It was so smooth and soft I couldn't believe it. Back and forth, again and again. Amazingly it has a SUPER nice slalom wake using that setup. My wife (5'5" 125), a good recreational skier who's not a hard charger, had an equally enjoyable experience on her ski.

I spoke with the Moomba dealer up in Connecticut who is a hard core slalom skier and he told me he and his ski buds used the Mojo all summer and thought the best wake was actually at 28-off. Hard to believe, but there ya go.

Good surf wake, good foil/board wake, good slalom wake, good size, good price. What's not to like.

Oh, and I LOOOVE the nose. Totally bad a$$. :-)

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mmandley
12-12-2012, 11:56 AM
Awesome Slingo, and welcome to the forum. This forum absolutly needs more Mojo input.

I have been telling the SC reps, and upper people since last summer myself the Mojo is getting all the wrong press, its getting none really LOL. There isnt 1 single Mojo owner in the PNW. AWS is the only SC dealer in OR and WA almost all of 2012 and not a single Mojo was sold up here.

I really hope and expect as the new year comes the Mojo owners will step it up and talk more about there boats, the likes and what ever dislikes they might have. I for one spent a few hours in the Mojo and my thoughts were turned 180 on the boat for the better. Just all the press and things i have herd where weak on this boat.

I really love to hear people who own them, or rode behind them expressing there thoughts.

I think the Mojo has a lot to offer people, just most people dont know it.

sandm
12-12-2012, 12:13 PM
I don't think our dealer sold the yellow mojo they had from the boat show last spring. hate to say it, but the rep there is pushing axis pretty hard over moomba/supra. guessing since he's a salesman, the axis must have a better pay schedule.

guessing it'll get even worse as they just signed on as the cc dealer. now they sell skiers, bu/axis and cc. seems like some real territory crossing to me..

mmandley
12-12-2012, 12:15 PM
I don't think our dealer sold the yellow mojo they had from the boat show last spring. hate to say it, but the rep there is pushing axis pretty hard over moomba/supra. guessing since he's a salesman, the axis must have a better pay schedule.

guessing it'll get even worse as they just signed on as the cc dealer. now they sell skiers, bu/axis and cc. seems like some real territory crossing to me..

Same story as AWS they had to seperate the boats to 2 different locations.

Beaverton Store sells SC boats, and Nautique
Oregon City Store sells Malibu Axis and the used boats

I think the big problem is actaually the Loan terms.

Up to 50K you can only pull so many month loan on the boat 144 month is what i recall
After 50K you can add up to 180 month loan.

This makes it so much easier to put people in 70 and 80K boats for what a 45-50K boat costs.

So being the normal consumer you think humm..for 500 a month i could get a Moomba thats really nice and has all the basic stuff i really need.

Or i can get a completly Blinged out Malibu and roll on the lake like im a baller for 525 a month..I choose Baller boat.

Now you go look at the Used boats for sale and you see 100+ Malibu's compared to the SC boats, this is because they dont hold any value unlike a SC boat does. But the average consumer doesnt think about this. This is the same problem we have with cars and most people being upside down in them and buying them on 6 and 7 year loans now.

This is the same thing that happened to the housing market, people kept refi the home to buy more stuff and when the market crashed they lost everything in the house because its worth 100K less but they have the double mortgage on it.

kaneboats
12-12-2012, 03:16 PM
It's sad but it usually takes a couple of years before people figure out that the Jones's next door they are trying to keep up with haven't made a mortgage payment in 3 years. After they lose their house the picture gets a little clearer.

KG's Supra24
12-12-2012, 03:57 PM
I can see some of what is being said here but also want to add a little.

Mojo definitely needs some more publicity but it comes with time. They also released it at the same time as a ton of other manufacturers rolled out their new models, even its big brother rolled out the SA which dwarfed some of the attention.

Numbers can definitely play into peoples decisions but not to the extent being talked about, at least in my opinion. 50k loan for 12 years is not a $25 difference from 75k at 15 years. It's a $130 difference monthly assuming a 5% interest. I also think Malibu holds its value just as well as or better than SC. People aren't comparing a Moomba to a Malibu, at least in my opinion.

I think the mentioning of the term and new boat is spot on like Kane mentioned. If you are financing a brand new boat for 12 to 15 years with little down you better have some magic dust to keep the boat from depreciating faster than your loan. I think that goes across the board for all manufacturers, though.

If I was SC, I'd be looking into sandm's comments.

kaneboats
12-12-2012, 04:13 PM
I was just making the point that people look at others and think, "Hey, if he can afford it I should certainly be able to." But, they don't see the whole picture. Some guys have built up equity over years of buying what they could afford, making payments, doing maintenance/improvements, selling right and buying right, etc. and have a boat that's paid for or a manageable payment on a late model one. Others are losing everything but you can't tell by looking.

My wife knows a lady driving a new SUV- her husband drives an expensive new car and they bought their kid a car--- the kid just turned 15. They take vacations all the time. They pay for expensive cheer/gymnastics lessons for their daughter. They wear the latest fashions. They live in fear of the day the knock on the door comes because they are $150k upside down in their house and haven't make a mortgage payment in over 2 years. They'll probably lose their house, file bankruptcy, maybe get divorced along the way. People wonder how they can afford all their stuff but the truth is they can't. But, tell that to the kids that see the daughter wearing all the right clothes. She's popular and has plenty of mall money. My kids' think their own parents are dumb compared to the rich Jones's. Oh well.

KG's Supra24
12-12-2012, 04:18 PM
They'll probably lose their house, file bankruptcy, maybe get divorced along the way.

Then they let a few years pass and do it all over again. :D

jmvotto
12-12-2012, 11:16 PM
Then they let a few years pass and do it all over again. :D

Isn't our system great!!!!:-|

mmandley
12-13-2012, 12:22 AM
I can see some of what is being said here but also want to add a little.

Mojo definitely needs some more publicity but it comes with time. They also released it at the same time as a ton of other manufacturers rolled out their new models, even its big brother rolled out the SA which dwarfed some of the attention.

Numbers can definitely play into peoples decisions but not to the extent being talked about, at least in my opinion. 50k loan for 12 years is not a $25 difference from 75k at 15 years. It's a $130 difference monthly assuming a 5% interest. I also think Malibu holds its value just as well as or better than SC. People aren't comparing a Moomba to a Malibu, at least in my opinion.

I think the mentioning of the term and new boat is spot on like Kane mentioned. If you are financing a brand new boat for 12 to 15 years with little down you better have some magic dust to keep the boat from depreciating faster than your loan. I think that goes across the board for all manufacturers, though.

If I was SC, I'd be looking into sandm's comments.

For the record wasn't trying to compare SC and Malibu exactly. Just my dealerships them both.

My reference to tugboat loan money is from what was offered when I went to evening with the stars.

My last boat loan was just under 400 a month.
Looking to pull my next boat loan at apx 35% more then my last boat I expect my loan to about 525.
Knowing what my next boat costs already unknowing the deal I was offered to buy a Malibu my payment would be 550 a month. The differences was 12 year loan vs a 20 year loan.

That was the point I was trying to make.

I also think if you research the Malibu resale value vs Moomba or Supra you will see the Malibu drops more in value the first couple years. I think this is the same reason MC drops in value. There is a lot more mark up in those boats then SC boats.

mmandley
12-13-2012, 12:24 AM
I can see some of what is being said here but also want to add a little.

Mojo definitely needs some more publicity but it comes with time. They also released it at the same time as a ton of other manufacturers rolled out their new models, even its big brother rolled out the SA which dwarfed some of the attention.

Numbers can definitely play into peoples decisions but not to the extent being talked about, at least in my opinion. 50k loan for 12 years is not a $25 difference from 75k at 15 years. It's a $130 difference monthly assuming a 5% interest. I also think Malibu holds its value just as well as or better than SC. People aren't comparing a Moomba to a Malibu, at least in my opinion.

I think the mentioning of the term and new boat is spot on like Kane mentioned. If you are financing a brand new boat for 12 to 15 years with little down you better have some magic dust to keep the boat from depreciating faster than your loan. I think that goes across the board for all manufacturers, though.

If I was SC, I'd be looking into sandm's comments.

For the record wasn't trying to compare SC and Malibu exactly. Just my dealership sells them both.

My reference to the loan money is from what was offered when I went to evening with the stars.

My last boat loan was just under 400 a month.
Looking to pull my next boat loan at apx 35% more then my last boat I expect my loan to about 525.
Knowing what my next boat costs already and knowing the deal I was offered to buy a Malibu my payment would be 550 a month. The differences was 12 year loan vs a 20 year loan.

That was the point I was trying to make.

I also think if you research the Malibu resale value vs Moomba or Supra you will see the Malibu drops more in value the first couple years. I think this is the same reason MC drops in value. There is a lot more mark up in those boats then SC boats.

KG's Supra24
12-13-2012, 01:16 AM
If they are loaning 20 years on a wakeboat i bet i buy my next boat from the same place i got mine , the bank.

Yea i can see the big 3 taking a bigger hit initially. In the used market, i feel bu holds a little stronger value. When you were shopping both, was one coming further off msrp than the other?

Didn't mean any hard feelings mike.

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moombadaze
12-13-2012, 07:44 AM
My kids' think their own parents are dumb compared to the rich Jones's. Oh well.

suffering thru this myself

mmandley
12-13-2012, 08:48 AM
If they are loaning 20 years on a wakeboat i bet i buy my next boat from the same place i got mine , the bank.

Yea i can see the big 3 taking a bigger hit initially. In the used market, i feel bu holds a little stronger value. When you were shopping both, was one coming further off msrp than the other?

Didn't mean any hard feelings mike.

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None taken bro, just didnt want to start a bashing thread LOL.

Yes both were comming off the MSRP about the same amount. I joking said to the Sales Manager when he asked if i considered the 23 LSV they had, i said sure i love the boat and the space, but its not really a surf hull and i dont think i want to invest 80K in a boat right now.

Then thats when he ran the numbers, i laughed saying uhh yea i dont want a 20 year loan eigher.

I agree with your point on Mojo comming out when other boat models were comming out last year, i dont really say i see the SA comming out as an issue though because it was a year later.

The Mojo was released in 11 for the 12 model year. I just dont see it being pushed to much. I think its more the fact that its easier to sell a 20 OBV to a new buyer, or the LSV to the family. Its easier on the wallet and doesnt require as large a tow vechicle.

The Mojo is huge looking when its on its trailer, and easily 10-15K more and when you reach that magical 65-75K boat range then Supra and Malibu comes into play.

This is the same reason we ended up in the LSV vs the OBV, other then the differences in the boat it was initially the price. The 2 were only 5K apart and so we said what the hell, 5K is only a couple bucks a month on the loan lets get the bigger model

I see this as a big problem with the Mojo and its competitors in the same price point, they are well known brands with long history's. Just makes people feel better when paying that monthly note that they got a Big Brand name.

This is where SC really has to step up the advertising of the Mojo and the dealers need to step up and TALK this boat up and share it more.

You walk into the Malibu dealer or the MC dealer or their areas at the boat show, they arnt telling me and showing me all about the boat, they say Its a Malibu, or a MC what else is there? You arnt worth the turd in the dirt if you dont have this brand.

patrick232
12-13-2012, 10:39 AM
As Kane and Moombadaze said, you only know half the picture most of the times, the kids only see stuff. We all did that once upon a time, or most of us.
Yes the days of $100K boats and a 20 year loan are done for me. Really like the 5 year plan and pay it off, then Ill upgrade. Tired of paying the bank. In 4 years I hope to have a new to me 2013 or 2014 Mojo or LSV.

bergermaister
12-13-2012, 10:49 AM
I think some of the justification for boat $$ comes from location and season. It would be really tough to justify a $100k boat up here where the season is short. Even $80k. $60k? Even if I were walking down the street with $$ falling out of my pockets, that's a big chunk of change to sit idle (taunting you) 8-9 months of the year.

KG's Supra24
12-13-2012, 10:54 AM
If wakeboat prices rely on 20 year terms ... bubble bubble bubble pop. Would be interesting to know how much of the new market was purchased with 15-20 year loans ... even more interesting if it was broken down by manufacturer.

New owners need to start the Mojo advertising .... pics!!!!

501
12-13-2012, 01:09 PM
I love the Mojo, its a great wake boat and amazing surf boat but I find it really hard to believe that someone is touting it as a good Slalom boat. I skied it for the first time this past summer and was going wake to wake (in the air) on the slalom ski when cutting across. I don't have a lot to compare it too, but the other skiers with 20 plus years experience said the wake was huge for slalom and I agree. I mean of course you can ski it but it wasn't what i would call ideal. But really, isn't there a ton of crossover boats already and isn't the Mojo geared at Wake/Surf?

kaneboats
12-14-2012, 12:20 PM
I think you need to empty the ballast. :p

501
12-14-2012, 01:12 PM
Empty the ballast? Ok, let's just agree that the Mojo is the best surf boat made by Moomba and the worst slalom boat ever made by Moomba. I understand promoting the boat you own and such but I would not agree that the mojo is a "great" crossover and is designed for skiing. That's more what the LSV and specifically the Outback are for. Just my opinion.

wolfeman131
12-14-2012, 03:27 PM
Ok, let's just agree that the Mojo is the best surf boat made by Moomba and the worst slalom boat ever made by Moomba.

Nope, not going to agree. The XLV was the worst. While the Mojo was not designed as a slalom boat, I have had a high-level slalom skier behind a Mojo who stated it was "decent" for recreational skiing. Setup was zero ballast, crew towards/in bow and wakeplate 100% down at 34 mph.

When you next see the sun & the ice off your lake, run Gisepi's like above and see what you think.

501
12-14-2012, 08:07 PM
Wolfeman, You may be correct, my old XLV had a bad Slalom wake too, but i considered it to be the right on par with the Mojo, no better no worse. I should have said "currently" instead of "ever". So we can agree it's the worst slalom wake of all the current Moombas, but the best Surf Wave. here are some pics at Slalom speed.

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volfo
12-21-2012, 05:17 PM
I can't say what most people do, but I can say what I did. I would not consider a boat I had to finance for a long period of time. I have a monthly payment on my slip at the marina, my cabin at the lake, and don't even get me started on the hundreds of dollars every month from May through September that go into the fuel tank. Last thing I wanted was to have a monthly payment on top of all that. I bought a used 2001 Moomba LS in 2007 because it was a good, well-cared for used boat that had low hours and I could afford it without a lengthy loan. It served me well. I just bought a brand new boat at the end of this summer. I shopped every brand I could get my hands on to compare, and price was very much a consideration. Value was an even bigger consideration. I shopped and compared all brands before deciding I felt happy buying new in the lower price segment. I strongly considered the Mojo and think it packs a lot of value. But the price was high enough I was surprised to find that it did have some competition from other brands, too. IMO, to stay relevant in the market, SC needs to keep making good products like the Mojo and delivering them at a price where it only makes too much sense to ignore the extra bling on the MC / Nautiques. The main thing it needs to do is what it has been doing, and be careful of price creep that starts to put it into the realm of more expensive boats. When you get up around $60k there are lots of nice wakeboats you can buy if you can negotiate a little. At least that's what I found.

jmb
12-25-2012, 09:26 PM
What is all this?

wolfeman131
12-25-2012, 10:15 PM
That was a present from the Christmas spam fairy. Should be gone now.


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mgswake
02-09-2013, 09:17 AM
Will Moomba ever offer a rear facing bench seat? I love the Mojo and think this would be a cool option.

mmandley
02-09-2013, 06:31 PM
Will Moomba ever offer a rear facing bench seat? I love the Mojo and think this would be a cool option.

IN time you never know they might go back to one. My thinking is it will be a few years as they just redid the interiors of the boats and modeled them after the 2012 release of the Mojo. The biggest concern is the rear bench now extends accross the entire back of the boat. I have to say this is one of my least favorite changes.

I dont like when i got o clean the boat that i have to wrangle the whole back seat now. I also dont like how flimsey it is and as another person thought, maybe you can resposition seats and set it across the middle of the boat. Not going to happen without some sort of support. It will simply break in half with anymore then 50lbs on it i think.

Several boats have options for a rear facing seat but honestly when you look at all of them, they destroy any room in the center of the boat. No long can anyone sit on the sides and put their feet down. This seat is only good if people all sit facing the back and no onere sits in the middle like you normally would.

Boonejeepin
02-09-2013, 07:06 PM
Our 2010 XLV has a convertible bench. It can be slid to the middle of the boat and then has support poles so you can put a side cushion from the boat on the supports for a backrest. We have used it a few times but It does seem to eat up a lot of the floorspace of the boat.

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rdlangston13
02-09-2013, 08:50 PM
Our 2010 XLV has a convertible bench. It can be slid to the middle of the boat and then has support poles so you can put a side cushion from the boat on the supports for a backrest. We have used it a few times but It does seem to eat up a lot of the floorspace of the boat.

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That's a really cool feature. Cheap way to accomplish what the MC does


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jmvotto
02-10-2013, 06:12 AM
Boone, so that's what it will look like.

i have yet to use that option on the xlv , nor did we use it on the obv...

rdlangston13
02-10-2013, 07:38 AM
if i had a seat back attachment for mine i would use it more often for sure

slingo
03-05-2013, 05:46 PM
Nope, not going to agree. The XLV was the worst. While the Mojo was not designed as a slalom boat, I have had a high-level slalom skier behind a Mojo who stated it was "decent" for recreational skiing. Setup was zero ballast, crew towards/in bow and wakeplate 100% down at 34 mph.


Hi guys, late to this thread...but wanted to chime in on the slalom conversation. We have been running a 2005 Moomba Outback (direct drive) for years. We are big into hydrofoiling and some wakeboarding, but also are very strong recreational skiers that want the least possible wake for those dawn and dusk runs across the glass. I'd tried a few "cross over" boats, but never found one that I thought had a wake that was "at least as good as my Outback"...in a price range I would even remotely consider. (Most recently I'd tried slalom skiing behind a Supra 21V and it was awful--not a cross-over, but I wanted to try it anyway. I knew it would be bad, but was surprised at HOW bad.)

End of 2012, I got talked into taking a set behind a Mojo. I'd spoken with the SC dealer up in Connecticut who skied on a Mojo all summer and loved it. He and his buds were big time slalom skiers in former lives and he told me they they had a blast skiing behind the Mojo, and found the wake to be especially sweet at 22 or 28 off. So I decided to give it a try.

When I finally saw it I literally laughed out loud thinking it must be a joke that such a large boat (looks especially huge on the trailer) could produce a respectable slalom wake. But I was way wrong. Zero ballast, Plate down, 15-off, 34mph, Acme 14" prop, and the wake was excellent! Every bit as good as our Outback direct drive. Maybe better. It wasn't that it was visibly "small", but it was so aerated that it was very soft and buttery and had very little launch or impact. We frickin' LOVED it and ordered one immediately. Arrives from factory in April. Can't wait! :-)

slingo
03-05-2013, 06:00 PM
OK, I just noticed that I'd posted a similar comment on this exact thread back in December! DOH. Age is a b!tch. :-)

skiyaker
03-05-2013, 07:22 PM
Every bit as good as our Outback direct drive. Maybe better.

what? seriously? can you take a video and post it? that's it I have to shred behind this thing!

viking
03-05-2013, 07:22 PM
I don't know ......... that's hard to believe?

Boatdrinks797
03-05-2013, 07:36 PM
Wow....I'm pleasantly surprised and hope that holds true for the new LSV as well. I was afraid I was going to have to beg for pulls from my buddy with a DD this summer. But than again, his gas always seems to 'work' better for slaloming.....So, I may stick to my original story!

rdlangston13
03-05-2013, 08:04 PM
Wow....I'm pleasantly surprised and hope that holds true for the new LSV as well. I was afraid I was going to have to beg for pulls from my buddy with a DD this summer. But than again, his gas always seems to 'work' better for slaloming.....So, I may stick to my original story!

the new LSV wake should not be any different than the last one. hulls are the same from the rub rail down

kaneboats
03-05-2013, 09:41 PM
I have seen a decent ski wake from a big ole tri hull boat. I think if you take a big hull and get it moving it can ride high enough out of the water that the wake is kind of small. Obviously, this is comparative and you have to have a little speed though. With today's hulls and lighter materials I'm not all that surprised though.

rdlangston13
03-05-2013, 10:05 PM
I have seen a decent ski wake from a big ole tri hull boat. I think if you take a big hull and get it moving it can ride high enough out of the water that the wake is kind of small. Obviously, this is comparative and you have to have a little speed though. With today's hulls and lighter materials I'm not all that surprised though.

I agree, with the size increase and relatively low weight increase over the LSV you just spread that weight out over a greater surface area and it doesnt displace as deeply as a 21.5 ft boat would the same weight

iwaterskihard
03-07-2013, 10:09 PM
Man what's the world coming to??


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I agree! All these things that are just a crutch for people who can't waterski!!!! lol

501
03-08-2013, 02:35 PM
So what you are saying is Moomba's 3900 lb 22.5ft Flagship Surf/Wake Boat produces an as good or better slalom wake than their premier Direct Drive 2800lb, 20.5 foot Slalom boat? I am kind of surprised more of the Otback fans aren't questioning this.........

If someone told me that the an Outback DD produced an as good or better Surf Wave and Wakeboad wake than a Mojo I would definitley have to question it.




Hi guys, late to this thread...but wanted to chime in on the slalom conversation. We have been running a 2005 Moomba Outback (direct drive) for years. We are big into hydrofoiling and some wakeboarding, but also are very strong recreational skiers that want the least possible wake for those dawn and dusk runs across the glass. I'd tried a few "cross over" boats, but never found one that I thought had a wake that was "at least as good as my Outback"...in a price range I would even remotely consider. (Most recently I'd tried slalom skiing behind a Supra 21V and it was awful--not a cross-over, but I wanted to try it anyway. I knew it would be bad, but was surprised at HOW bad.)

End of 2012, I got talked into taking a set behind a Mojo. I'd spoken with the SC dealer up in Connecticut who skied on a Mojo all summer and loved it. He and his buds were big time slalom skiers in former lives and he told me they they had a blast skiing behind the Mojo, and found the wake to be especially sweet at 22 or 28 off. So I decided to give it a try.

When I finally saw it I literally laughed out loud thinking it must be a joke that such a large boat (looks especially huge on the trailer) could produce a respectable slalom wake. But I was way wrong. Zero ballast, Plate down, 15-off, 34mph, Acme 14" prop, and the wake was excellent! Every bit as good as our Outback direct drive. Maybe better. It wasn't that it was visibly "small", but it was so aerated that it was very soft and buttery and had very little launch or impact. We frickin' LOVED it and ordered one immediately. Arrives from factory in April. Can't wait! :-)

kaneboats
03-11-2013, 09:43 AM
Uhh, this was at 34 MPH. Try comparing to the Outback at slower speeds. The point is that you can enjoy a ski behind it, not that it's a the new flagship slalom boat.

jmvotto
03-11-2013, 04:06 PM
My xlv lays it down at 34 to 35 nice and smooth.

The ob dd has an awesome ski wake