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wolfeman131
01-04-2013, 09:17 AM
Natique's NSS system. Looks a lot like the 'bu concept and, interestingly, being marketed the same way as "the next greatest thing for wakesurfing.". Both look like bolt-on POS to me.

http://www.nautique.com/blog/index/nautique-surf-system

http://youtu.be/6usVCaSxU2A

http://youtu.be/nTaV0sy5Nnc

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kaneboats
01-04-2013, 09:36 AM
These are starting to look a little better. Interesting.

sandm
01-04-2013, 09:51 AM
Both look like bolt-on POS to me.



little surprised at this statement. with your daughters being in the limelight of wakesurfing, any company spending r&d $$ in this sport should be commended. although I certainly don't understand the fascination with switching sides in under a second, it appears that this add-on allows this boat, similar to the z3, to create what looks to be a good wake with very little list. looks to be the next step beyond surfgate.

my hope is that skiers has something in the testing phase and are not going to be left in the dust as all these new innovations are coming out.

dusty2221
01-04-2013, 10:08 AM
A little shocked as well. If you ask me, Skiers is behind. Of course, nobody asked me.

That now makes Tige, Nautique, and Malibu with dedicated surf designs........

bergermaister
01-04-2013, 10:11 AM
Anything to help fine tune would be good in my book. I"m sure a lot of you have seen the difference just a half mph or moving 100-200 lbs further to one side can make in the wave.

jmvotto
01-04-2013, 11:20 AM
That is the best looking "surf" feature going so far. MC came out with surf tabs in 2010, but i like the retractable movivig plates.. pretty cool stuff IMO...

mmandley
01-04-2013, 11:30 AM
I saw this when it was released yesterday.

My thoughts, what little they may be worth, is about the same as when i saw Malibu Surfgate.

Its really the same thing just looks different and deploys slightly different.

I dont think eigher of them will be in a World Wake Surf event any time soon.

When you look at the wave its creating, its not clean on top, its washy and its not a Big wave its just a decent wave. Even the pro rider they had surfing it wasnt getting a lot of air. Nor do i think you will see the big shuve its, and board flips and barral rolls that are starting to become the normal big trick. You have to get air to do those, and to get air you have to have a ramp and some length.

Plus when you get air or you turn to a 180 you need eigher a ramp to land in on a flat face to recover in.

Washy face, and top means you slow down considerably and unless you have a lot of push in the back of that pocket you wont recover.

My other concern is like most all sports, its best to be 150lbs or lighter to make things easier.

Being fare north of that you need a larger wave with more power, and unless the NSS is fare superior to the Surfgate, its not designed to handle a lot of ballast. Its designed to handle factory ballast only.

I agree that next big innovation in surfing needs to be hull design where the boat isnt listing 20% degrees to make a wave but the whole idea to switch side to side in 4-5 seconds just holds to weight to me at all.

Every single wave i have been on that was what i consider addiquate, and all prolevel waves i have seen, a 4-5 second switch over time would do nothing for you, because the waves are so much larger you still couldnt cross them unless you jumped it, and most videos ive seen of the switch are just guys riding accross the wave.

As for SC losing ground in the surf market, i agree they are, id like to think they know this and have something big planned, but at the same time you have to think, are the ideas being developed right now game changers in the Wake Surf Market? I have to say No they are not. They are modifications to make a Non Surf Hull better at Surfing. Lets face it, the Tige is the only boat out with the VX hull extension that was ever a Surf minded hull to begin with. Even that item isnt a game changer, it extends the hull and clean up the wave some more, but ultimatly the hull of the boat is still doing the work.

What i really hope and we shall see soon enough, is what does SC really have up there sleeve? Is the Mojo more then it appears as a surf boat? Is there plans to bring out a new Supra with a new Hull to battle the surf market?

Dont get caught up too much in these Tabs, and trinkets as Game Changing innovations to the boats.
Its really the same as putting a Lift kit on a F350 to make it a better 4x4 truck. It really doesnt make it better, it just gives more ground clearence, but the truck still stinks as a serious 4x4, its just too big and heavy LOL

wolfeman131
01-04-2013, 11:31 AM
Don't get me wrong, I love the innovation and attention being brought to the sport. But, I'd like to see something endorsed by some of the guys I saw on the podiums at the events we were at this year. When/if Keenan, Hazen, Danielo, Lagace or other top riders tell me it's "the next great innovation" in surfing, I'll be more prone to listen.

And, by POS, try this at your upcoming boat show. Get on a 'bu and make your way to the swim platform. Watch the salesman's reaction when you go to step on a surfgate tab. If you get the same reaction I got, you may be inclined to view it as I have.

wolfeman131
01-04-2013, 11:35 AM
That now makes Tige, Nautique, and Malibu with dedicated surf designs........

I'd argue that these manufacturers have simply released surf enhancements on their wakeboard boats and that true, dedicated surf designs are related to the hull.

mmandley
01-04-2013, 11:39 AM
When/if Keenan, Hazen, Danielo, Lagace or other top riders tell me it's "the next great innovation" in surfing, I'll be more prone to listen.



I would only listen if they are saying it on there own video, or in person.

Being sponcered by these brands and what they think holds no serious weight. Being paid to say something doesnt means its what they really think.

kaneboats
01-04-2013, 11:50 AM
You mean Michael Jordan doesn't really like Hanes tagless undies?

sandm
01-04-2013, 12:30 PM
I tend to think that there is no replacement for displacement and probably never will be, but like the tige, this nautty device seems to do more than just swap the wave. seems to try to clean it up and extend it. that's the next trinket I'll be looking for as I think surfboats will always need weight of some kind.

I hope skiers is really working on a true surf hull.
like mentioned on another forum, you used to go buy a comp boat, then a wakeboard boat, but now it's a wakesurf boat and that's what's needed..

as far as pro's endorsing products, I don't put a whole lot of weight in ANYONE that's getting either paid or endorsed to talk about their own product and what are the odds of a enzo-sponsored rider saying that the cc is the best wave they have surfed:)

dusty2221
01-04-2013, 12:55 PM
I'd argue that these manufacturers have simply released surf enhancements on their wakeboard boats and that true, dedicated surf designs are related to the hull.

If that's the case the same can be said for the Wake Plate or the Smart Plate or Taps or the Wedge, or any other plate or device that is added to the back of a Wake boat for...you guessed it..Wakeboarding. These boats are dedicated Wakeboats and what is slapped onto the back of damn near every one of them? I'm not certain that we will ever see a boat roll out of the factory that is 100% Surf only by way of Hull. These "enhancements" that each company slaps on the back are the key to improvement in what we enjoy. Now for all I know there is already a boat out there that has nothing/needs nothing and is purely a perfect wave made 100% by hull shape...but I don't think that is the case. Sure, the plates all serve a dual purpose, which helps with taking off and planing and all that jazz, but they also ALL directly effect the wake in a positive or negative way depending on what position they are in.

And on that note, could it be said that Nautique is the only company out with a wake boat with the enhancement directly effecting the flow of water thru the hull vs after it? Hydrogate does this. I think they are about as close as it gets so far to wake being directly effected by the hull shape.

I guess my point in all that rambling, and the real take away on my opinion is that these enhancements are the future of surf innovation. They will progressively get better until each brand figures out what it believes in the most and soon they will all be equipped standard, just like the wake plates hanging off the rear for 90% of our boats.



as far as pro's endorsing products, I don't put a whole lot of weight in ANYONE that's getting either paid or endorsed to talk about their own product and what are the odds of a enzo-sponsored rider saying that the cc is the best wave they have surfed:)
Completely agree with this. No different than Motocross boys. One season they ride for Honda and have the most amazing bike, the most amazing manager, the most amazing pit crew and they just LOVE the Red Bull. Next season they are on Kawasaki and guess what, Kawasaki is just the best thing on earth and OMG have you tried this Monster Energy Drink!?!?

ian ashton
01-04-2013, 09:37 PM
I dont think eigher of them will be in a World Wake Surf event any time soon.



I'd guess that sponsor dollars talk louder than wave quality.

mnpracing
01-06-2013, 01:27 AM
Don't get me wrong, I love the innovation and attention being brought to the sport. But, I'd like to see something endorsed by some of the guys I saw on the podiums at the events we were at this year. When/if Keenan, Hazen, Danielo, Lagace or other top riders tell me it's "the next great innovation" in surfing, I'll be more prone to listen.

And, by POS, try this at your upcoming boat show. Get on a 'bu and make your way to the swim platform. Watch the salesman's reaction when you go to step on a surfgate tab. If you get the same reaction I got, you may be inclined to view it as I have.

probably the same reaction if you went to step on the wakeplate....

mnpracing
01-06-2013, 01:35 AM
The great (and scary) thing about marketing is that its not necessarily about what the consumer wants, its about making the consumer think they want something....and whomever sponsors an event year after year will see their equipment being used and will be known as "the best", and for some unknown reason, people seem to think that it actually is the best....I fall for it, so do many. Innovation is what is needed. Let it happen and decide for yourselves whether it is the right thing for you, don't bash it....I personally don't believe in coloring within the lines...