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Boatdrinks797
01-04-2013, 11:15 PM
I'm looking at optioning out a new 13 LSV and I'm not yet convinced the zero off GPS is worth it. Does the digital cruise pro maintain a constant speed even while the rider is pulling hard at either wakeboard or slalom speeds? I don't think my skill set requires the 1/10th mph precision of the zero off GPS, but I would like to be assured the digital cruise pro does an adequate job.

Which brings me to my next question....I do still enjoy slaloming, however, I would say I spend 90% of the time on my wakeboard. How bad is the wake of the 13 LSV gonna beat me up at 32-34mph?

Thanks

jmvotto
01-04-2013, 11:25 PM
I have the ZO and love it vs the 07 Moomba cruise, not sure about the digital to cruise on the newer boats, thought the man difference was the gps based vs speed based..

mmandley
01-05-2013, 08:59 AM
I have driven both boats with both systems and personally i liked them both the same really.

They had different features and when talking with Shane Stillman <SC Rep> they work pretty simular.

New Digital cruize is so close to perfect pass in terms of how it works i couldnt tell much difference. You set it and forget it. If you shut the boat off it doesnt care, stop and go, what ever. Also holds speed well through corners.

Zero Off, works the same as above but you get to save riders speeds in it so you can pre program each person.

Downside of the Zero off, in Portland area we would lose signal everytime we got near the big bridges. Also if your near lots of trees or in a deep valley. Lose signal and the boat would surge, slow down, stop, it just gets all weirded out.

I personally liked the old Moomba cruize, so even if all i had was the digital its a HUGE upgrade. To go from Digital to Zero off, not worth the G note in price to me.

Heres some water ski pics last Labor day.

Cant resist this one as you can see a fish jumping.
http://i639.photobucket.com/albums/uu114/mmandley/DSC_0043-1.jpg
http://i639.photobucket.com/albums/uu114/mmandley/DSC_0048.jpg
http://i639.photobucket.com/albums/uu114/mmandley/DSC_0051.jpg
http://i639.photobucket.com/albums/uu114/mmandley/DSC_0053-1.jpg

Mikey
01-05-2013, 05:59 PM
I agree and disagree with Mikes comments above. As for the OLD moomba cruise i thought it was a Joke. I quickly replaced it with Perfect Pass. Mine is not GPS,like the stargazer version or the Zero off. I agree they are as precise as it gets but my version is nearly as accurate once its set and calibrated etc. Big draw back is mine needs to be calibrated.... Original Moomba cruise ,was/ is a glorified cruise control based on RPM only and for Waterskiing in particular, can be manipulated Quite a bit if you have a heavy or Hard skier involved..

For wakeboarding and maybe surfing it might suffice. I am glad i made the change,if i upgrade to GPS it would be for convenience only.. As for your skiing comment. Yes the LSV's are skiable, but for hardcore or course skiing i Would Not recommend this model boat. For the occasional Recreational ski Yeah sure , but otherwise that wakes gonna beat you up pretty bad.

Of course i'm biased ,having a Moomba Outback DD, but there are a few VD,s that are acceptable as ski boats ,sadly LSV is Not one i would recommend ,but as Wake and Surf boats ,they are cats ass. Sorry for getting off topic .

Mikey
01-05-2013, 06:03 PM
Having just relooked at these pics.. Mike .Where is that rope tied? Looks like from the tower? I would Not recommend this if this is the case at all.

My skiing comments are also based on skiing Shorter rope lengths than it appears in these pics...

mmandley
01-05-2013, 07:31 PM
Having just relooked at these pics.. Mike .Where is that rope tied? Looks like from the tower? I would Not recommend this if this is the case at all.

My skiing comments are also based on skiing Shorter rope lengths than it appears in these pics...

Yes its on the tower, thats where my buddy in the pic wanted it. He said it makes it easier to get up, i know its not the best on the tower, but he only skies 1 or 2x a year and only goes about 5 minutes LOL

lewisb13
01-05-2013, 09:24 PM
Another reason the GPS based versions are kind of tricky is if you're dealing with any kind of current. I have lived on the mobile Alabama basin and now on lake Houston. Both of which have current, not necessarily on the main bodies of water but on the little rivers and such that feed these bodies of water. For example the San jacinto river feeds lake Houston and that's where all the wskeboarders go because its 100 yards wide so its protected on both sides and the water is usually buttery smooth. Now let's say you are pulling upstream and the water has a 2-3 MPH current under your feet. You set your GPS unit for 22 MPH and the relative velocity under your feet is actually 25 MPH headed upstream and 19 MPH downstream. A "paddle wheel" unit doesn't care about current. Just my personal experience and ultimately my personal $0.02.

Boatdrinks797
01-05-2013, 11:45 PM
All great information, thank you. I don't have to worry about river currents where I'm at up here in the northy...It sound's like the digital cruise pro will work great for my needs. One of my local friends with a Centurion Enzo with GPS based cruise always complains that he loses signal on cloudy days too. We don't have any bridges or large canyons that we run in that could interfere with our runs.

I'm also undecided on a color pattern for a 13 LSV. I've scoured the web and looked at every image posted and the only thing that is really standing out for me is the charcoal grey/orange combination. Can anyone post any pics of theirs to help give me some better ideas? The configurator tool on the moomba website is worthless for looking at color patterns and looks nothing like the actual end product.

lewisb13
01-06-2013, 10:42 AM
Yeah they still have the 12 model on there for the color options. I have a thread on what my 13lsv looks like...

mcdye
01-06-2013, 12:45 PM
I'm also undecided on a color pattern for a 13 LSV. I've scoured the web and looked at every image posted and the only thing that is really standing out for me is the charcoal grey/orange combination. Can anyone post any pics of theirs to help give me some better ideas? The configurator tool on the moomba website is worthless for looking at color patterns and looks nothing like the actual end product.

Here is combo you mentioned... http://www.diamondlakeswatersports.com/moombaboats.htm

kaneboats
01-07-2013, 09:52 AM
Kinda diggin' that charcoal/orange look. Very trick.

bzubke1
01-07-2013, 11:42 PM
I've had digital cruise pro on the moomba and now zero off on the supra. Zero Off engages speed much smoother than digital cruise pro ever did, however it was much more noticeable when surfing. With ZO you can't overshoot your speed, it brings you smoothly up to the speed that is set, which is very helpful for less experienced drivers when you are behind the boat. When surfing with DCP, say speed is set at 10.5 it would engage at around 8 and take 15 or so seconds to get up to 10.5 unless the driver works the throttle just perfect. Zero Off engages very smoothly every time when surfing. For me zero off is a better system but if you don't plan on surfing much DCP is a very good speed control system. The surfing problem I had with DCP may have been easily resolved by changing some settings but I never tried for fear of making it worse.

KG's Supra24
01-08-2013, 09:36 PM
Here is combo you mentioned... http://www.diamondlakeswatersports.com/moombaboats.htm

Ha, nice work! That is the boat that immediately popped in my head. It catches my eye every time i drive by.

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mmandley
01-15-2013, 09:21 AM
I've had digital cruise pro on the moomba and now zero off on the supra. Zero Off engages speed much smoother than digital cruise pro ever did, however it was much more noticeable when surfing. With ZO you can't overshoot your speed, it brings you smoothly up to the speed that is set, which is very helpful for less experienced drivers when you are behind the boat. When surfing with DCP, say speed is set at 10.5 it would engage at around 8 and take 15 or so seconds to get up to 10.5 unless the driver works the throttle just perfect. Zero Off engages very smoothly every time when surfing. For me zero off is a better system but if you don't plan on surfing much DCP is a very good speed control system. The surfing problem I had with DCP may have been easily resolved by changing some settings but I never tried for fear of making it worse.

What year boat had the DCP you drove? Im wondering if they did an update to the software.

The 2013 i drove didnt behaive like that at all. You set it at 10.5 and it throttles right to 10.5 then set the cruise right there and would only fluctuate .1 + - most of the time.

I know on my Moomba cruize it liked to engage a few MPH before the set speed and would take a while to get up to speed when wake boarding but when surfing it normally engaged right around 9 and would only take about 5 seconds to get to my desired speed

bzubke1
01-15-2013, 11:03 PM
It was on the 08. It could have just been an issue with the settings, but we didn't surf much at the time and it was never a big enough annoyance to get the manual out and mess with it.

lewisb13
01-16-2013, 01:05 PM
Yeah I have the DCP on my 13 lsv and it behaves nothing like my neighbor's ZO in his 06 x2. It doesn't overshoot and is very smooth in my opinion. Again if you have any kind of surface wind creatig a small current or you are in a river or whatever it throws the ZO for a loop.

volfo
01-18-2013, 05:24 PM
my old moomba ls didn't have any speed control, but I really like the zero off on my new boat. I've never had an issue on cloudy days, going quickly under a bridge, or in steep high bank areas (our lake is almost like a 'mountain' river type lake with lots of narrow coves with steep sides). I will say that I've had a few issues where it doesn't engage every time and I've also noticed when surfing it will fluctuate .1 up or down sometimes.