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tnbrooks01
02-04-2013, 09:50 AM
With the new boat coming the wife is insistent on getting all the extra sacks out of the floor. My thinking is, cool lets fill all the storage with bags then take my extra sacks and put them in the floor and really weight this thing down!

So my understanding is stock ballast is 1800? With 2-650s in the back and a 450 hard tank in the middle. That only = 1750 but that's not what I'm concerned with.

With the new changes to the dropped rubber floor, will the stock bags in the back slide forward under those seats and then put 2 bigger bags beside the motor?

I'm trying to use up what I currently have as extra bags so I'll have more cash to mess around with prop changes etc...

First thing is prop: starting with 1433

Bags if it will work:
800s in the back, slide the stock (650s?) rear bags forward under seats (not sure if shape will work), 450 hard tank in the middle and plumb the IBS off of that.

That still leaves me with a couple of 550lb bags as extras for the floor. Obviously we don't necessarily need that much weight for my son to ride but we do ride with a bunch of Outlaw/ Expert riders that would like to see a beefier wake.

mmandley
02-04-2013, 10:52 AM
This is a picture of my Mojo compartment but the LSV is the same. You can add the larger bags to the rear, and then slide the 650s up in front of that. The new compartments have no restictions. I dont think the 650 is the best choice for this. They will deff pop the cusions and might also add too much side pressure to the fiberglass.

On my 08 i removed the cooler and ran my 450 bag in there and it bulged the fiberglass due to no mounting brackets.
The 13 i didnt look for renforments on the side panels.

If you plan to run sacks in this area i would look into getting a pair of 400 blags from Fligh High like the 08 LSV had or do what i did and look into the Sump 450 sacks, as they are designed and shaped for this application.

Are you planning to add a Y valve to the center tank pump? Im curious how you plan to tie off this pump? I am having a IBS installed as well and im going with a full seperate system of pump, timer, and switch so its factory looking.

http://i639.photobucket.com/albums/uu114/mmandley/DSC_0433-1.jpg

tnbrooks01
02-04-2013, 11:10 AM
Cool I have stock 400s now as extras in my garage. If those will fit better I may use those instead.

As for the IBS, I know I'm going to add one but I haven't decided yet. I'm still researching/learning about options. I like the idea of keeping everything separate but can't think of a time when ill need to fill only the bow sack. Other than cosmetics is there a preference for one way or the other.

mmandley
02-04-2013, 11:13 AM
Cool I have stock 400s now as extras in my garage. If those will fit better I may use those instead.

As for the IBS, I know I'm going to add one but I haven't decided yet. I'm still researching/learning about options. I like the idea of keeping everything separate but can't think of a time when ill need to fill only the bow sack. Other than cosmetics is there a preference for one way or the other.

Great on the 400s, im thinking you wont get much more in the 650s anyhow LOL.

As for the IBS no i dont think there is any difference then cosmentic. Honestly id be in the same position your in but part of my deal to by my boat was the dealer is redoing my ballast. AWS is trying to get into balalst systems and this is there first boat. So i said add my IBS for free and ill do a write up and talk about it to people when i can LOL.

moombadaze
02-04-2013, 12:13 PM
couple answer

Reusing your 650's--Yes but the stock bags are way to big for the space and really only can get about 200-300lbs under the seats-flyhigh has a bag that will fit much better under the seats

Go for the flyhigh 1100lb bags for the rear-fits nicely, but as for the port side, the pumps and panel intrude about a little over a foot into the space, if you want maximum ballast you will want to move them, good part is you wont have to buy anything to do this other than some carpet for the rear

just add the IBS off the infloor tank-super simple and keeps from adding another pump and wires-that and there is no room for a dedicate switch on the panel, so you would have this one oddball switch off to the side.

mmandley
02-04-2013, 12:17 PM
I beg to differ on the Switch. I have an Ass switch not doing anything but taking up space. This used to be the Heater switch but the new 13s mount the heater on the side panel in front of the throttle.

http://i639.photobucket.com/albums/uu114/mmandley/DSC_0252.jpg

moombadaze
02-04-2013, 12:29 PM
I beg to differ on the Switch. I have an Ass switch not doing anything but taking up space.


Well, I ordered a pump and switch to use for my IBS-quess what, there is no open spots on my LSV's dash.

so I now have a reversible pump to get rid of also as I just piggybacked it off the infloor tank.

tnbrooks01
02-04-2013, 12:32 PM
So do I understand correctly that I could just add the IBS andfill it off the vent from hard tank and then vent the IBS to the through hull?

Would it be the same procedure to just piggy back the other 2 bags off the big ones in the back?

Then adjust the timers to get a better reading of fill percentage?

mmandley
02-04-2013, 12:34 PM
Well, I ordered a pump and switch to use for my IBS-quess what, there is no open spots on my LSV's dash.

so I now have a reversible pump to get rid of also as I just piggybacked it off the infloor tank.

Thats just obsered the Mojo has an extra switch and the LSV doesnt LOL.

wolfeman131
02-04-2013, 01:02 PM
So do I understand correctly that I could just add the IBS andfill it off the vent from hard tank and then vent the IBS to the through hull?

Would it be the same procedure to just piggy back the other 2 bags off the big ones in the back?

Then adjust the timers to get a better reading of fill percentage?

Todd,

You have it correct. I wrote up how I did the ballast on my Mojo. Daze helped and then used this as the model for his with the addition of moving the pumps which I didn't need to do. It makes for a very simply upgrade that doesn't require any extra pumps, switches or cutting holes in your boat.

The only item I might do differently than written up was to use a simple, spring check valve on the IBS vent vs the one from wakemakers as the that one seems to prevent the hard tank from draining 100%.

Adjusting the timers is a simple procedure that should be outlined in your Owner's Manual.

wolfeman131
02-04-2013, 01:13 PM
I beg to differ on the Switch. I have an Ass switch

What kind of option is an "Ass" switch?

That must be one special Mojo you got.

wolfeman131
02-04-2013, 01:20 PM
Well, I ordered a pump and switch to use for my IBS-quess what, there is no open spots on my LSV's dash.


Curious as to what switches you do have, Daze? I took this pic at the Dealer's Meeting when the new LSV was unveiled and it looks like an ACC switch to the left of the port ballast switch. Wonder if they did a redesign prior to release or if one of the options you ordered took that spot?

FWIW, I think adding a dedicated pump to the IBS is overkill, especially if you plan to run the 1,100's (or more) in the rear. I can't imagine when you would want to run bow weight without the center also filled and those combined (IBS @ 650 & center @ 450) will take the same time to fill as the 1,100 so you won't gain any overall efficiency. The only scenario I see where you would want it seperate would be if you had newbies/younger riders and wanted to only go 1/2 way all around and wanted some bow weight to lengthen a surf wave.

moombadaze
02-04-2013, 01:32 PM
Curious as to what switches you do have, Daze? I took this pic at the Dealer's Meeting when the new LSV was unveiled and it looks like an ACC switch to the left of the port ballast switch. Wonder if they did a redesign prior to release or if one of the options you ordered took that spot?

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Just remembered why, the bow lights and thats why I have no open switch's

moombadaze
02-04-2013, 01:33 PM
What kind of option is an "Ass" switch?
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yeh, im wondering about that option now too

wolfeman131
02-04-2013, 01:46 PM
Just remembered why, the bow lights and thats why I have no open switch's

there ya go. I couldn't figure that out as I'm pretty certain the 2013 LSV and Mojo have the same dash & glovebox layout.

dusty2221
02-04-2013, 01:54 PM
Someone flipped my "Ass" Switch years ago and I haven't been able to turn it off since.

mmandley
02-04-2013, 02:14 PM
Hey im just keeping this thread moving one "ASS" at a time LOL

lewisb13
02-05-2013, 02:04 PM
How are you going to get the IBS to empty if you have it piggy backed off the hard tank? Whichever leg of the ibs you don't have he drain/fill hose connected to isn't going to drain.

wolfeman131
02-05-2013, 02:32 PM
How are you going to get the IBS to empty if you have it piggy backed off the hard tank? Whichever leg of the ibs you don't have he drain/fill hose connected to isn't going to drain.

Not with a check valve in the vent line. My IBS drains 100% just off the one leg w/ the reversible pump. Looks like a big, blue raisin when it's empty.

lewisb13
02-05-2013, 03:53 PM
Wowzers. I never thought in a million years that pump would be able to lift the excess water up and around the front of the boat to get it to whichever side the fill/drain line is on, from alllllll the way in he back of the boat. That's impressive.

wolfeman131
02-05-2013, 04:27 PM
yep, it works great and makes the add of an IBS a relatively easy mod. Check out what Moombadaze has done in his 2013 LSV so you can see exactly how you can set up your boat.