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jstenger
09-13-2013, 11:40 AM
As you guys know, I am planning on ordering a new Mondo this winter. I have been doing some thinking, and here is my question.

Should I save a couple thousand dollars and order a new LSV?

The facts for the LSV:
Same boat weight.
Same number of passengers.
1 foot longer.
More Ballast.
2 inches narrower.
Old hull.

Still plan to ski, wakeboard, and surf.

Any thoughts from you guys with Mojo's, since they are similar to the Mondo, and newer LSV's would be great.

mmandley
09-13-2013, 12:18 PM
I can't speak for the Mondo surf compared to the LSV.

Having owned an LSV and a Mojo its a stiff argument on which i would really by if i had the option again.

LSV pro, solid wake boat, great surf wave, excellent body lines, and i love the V front end.

Down side, not as wide, in the cabin, smaller in the bow, not as much storage.

Mojo plus, solid steep wake board wave, solid surf wave on Reg, decent on goofy but both require tons of weight literally.
Boat is HUGE, in all categories.
Only real downside is i think its a lot harder to trailer then the LSV was.

Ok with your original posting of Mondo,

If your really comparing the 2, i would go LSV everyday, its got a better nose, Mondo nose really is tiny, it looks big because its wide but its short. LSV has a great surf wave without a lot of work. Can be down with almost all factory set up with only a bag change for the rear.

LSV i think will be a solid value holder for resale also with its reputation.

Like i said though im not trying to discount the Mondo, i just haven't spent any time in it and i have spent a lot of time in the LSV lol

With boats always buy the larger model if you can afford it and have storage for it, the 21.5 market is huge for the resale.

Wax
09-13-2013, 12:19 PM
You aren't considering a Mojo?

jstenger
09-13-2013, 12:30 PM
You aren't considering a Mojo?

No, because the Mondo alone is at the top of my price range.

Wax
09-13-2013, 12:37 PM
Fair enough! I haven't been behind the Mondo, so I can't refer to it. Just based on my experience with an LSV, I can't imagine not choosing the bigger LSV if it's less expensive comparably equipped. However, the Mondo is the cool new boat, but is it better than the LSV? I'd definitely have to ride behind a Mondo before I bought one above a new LSV.

Have you had a chance to ride behind the Mondo, or will you get to? Have you ridden behind a LSV?

sandm
09-13-2013, 12:45 PM
I'm with mike. always buy the biggest boat you can fit if you plan on surfing.

there is some truth to the size and resale as well. my launch20 was a tough sell at 20'8, but it was also an older model that was disco'ed the summer I sold it. Mondo will be around for a while.

brain_rinse
09-13-2013, 01:20 PM
I really like the look of the Mondo and think it will be a home run for SC. That said, and until I get to see one in person and demo, it would be really hard for me to pick a smaller, more expensive boat with a yet-to-be-proven wake over the LSV that has been a home run for 8 years and counting.

KG's Supra24
09-13-2013, 01:38 PM
I believe the Mondo is cheaper, correct?

Price wise .... OBV, Mondo, LSV, Mojo ?

jstenger
09-13-2013, 04:20 PM
I believe the Mondo is cheaper, correct?

Price wise .... OBV, Mondo, LSV, Mojo ?

Yes, you are correct. I was looking at 2013 LSV pricing. The price has gone up for 2014.

Wax
09-16-2013, 06:55 PM
Jstenger, I read your review in the surf the mondo thread. Sounds like maybe the LSV might be leading the pack now?

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jstenger
09-16-2013, 10:23 PM
Jstenger, I read your review in the surf the mondo thread. Sounds like maybe the LSV might be leading the pack now?

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Still not sure. I might try an LSV test drive this weekend.

jmvotto
09-16-2013, 11:23 PM
As you guys know, I am planning on ordering a new Mondo this winter. I have been doing some thinking, and here is my question.

Should I save a couple thousand dollars and order a new LSV?

The facts for the LSV:
Same boat weight.
Same number of passengers.
1 foot longer.
More Ballast.
2 inches narrower.
Old hull.

Still plan to ski, wakeboard, and surf.

Any thoughts from you guys with Mojo's, since they are similar to the Mondo, and newer LSV's would be great.


Joe, check those stats again.

The Lsv is wider, heavier , bigger gas tank and 3 more passengers

brain_rinse
09-16-2013, 11:48 PM
He's got it right per the website specs:
LSV: http://www.moomba.com/mobiuslsv/
Mondo: http://www.moomba.com/mondo/

jstenger
09-22-2013, 11:35 PM
Well I drove a Mondo last week, and I drove an LSV today. All I can say is that the LSV IS A GREAT BOAT. The ski wake was just slightly larger than my OBV wake, so that was good. I didn't try wakeboarding since I knew it would be great anyways. And the surf wave was good with just the stock ballast.

Cockpit layouts between the LSV and Mondo were almost identical. I need to measure the Mondo to see the differences, if any, since I believe the one foot difference is all in the bow. I measured the LSV, and the only disappointment was that the LSV cockpit seating is only about 3" longer than my OBV. So as with the Mondo, the LSV extra length is mostly in the bow compared to the OBV.

As I said earlier, the ski wake was pretty good. We skied at 32mph and wakeplate full down. There was myself, two other adults, and one kid in the boat.

We surfed Goofy at 10.8 mph and wakeplate full up. We had one adult and kid up in the bow, and myself and another adult on the starboard side. We also had the center tank and rear starboard ballast full. Pretty good wave with only 1150 pounds (500 center, 650 rear) of ballast and a few adults. Just as others have stated, an IBS and some more rear ballast should make a great wave.

I know that the Mondo is going to be a great wakeboard and surf boat, but I just don't like the ski wake. Hopefully I can get another Mondo ride in to double check, but as of now, I think that the LSV is the better way to go for my family and I.

Wax
09-23-2013, 01:33 AM
Can't go wrong with the LSV, that's for sure!

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Mobius22
09-23-2013, 10:37 AM
Here's the new 2014 LSV video. Just posted on saturday

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inHXfsXW-Yk

NCSUmoomba
09-23-2013, 10:41 AM
Don't have much comparison of the Mondo vs. LSV, but some for the Mondo vs. OBV:

I was surprised at the boat show about how much bigger the Mondo appeared inside than the Outback V, which are basically the same length boat. White Lake Marine had them parked side by side and the Mondo cockpit looked to be about a foot longer than the OBV. Some of it may be from the bow area, but the sunpad looked about 8-12" smaller on the Mondo, so it appears that the engine packaging has been made more efficient (maybe due to the additional depth) so most of the increase in cockpit area came from that.

Thoughts on the Mondo vs. LSV:
One thought is that you mentioned the slalom wake has some importance. Aside from hull design, boat weight seems to be the next biggest factor in slalom wake. So I checked the boat weights, and was confused. The Mondo and the LSV lists at 3800# if you pic on the link to the boat specs. If you go to the compare boat page, the Mondo lists at 3000#. Not certain which one is right, but I assume the 3800# is correct, so in that case there is no advantage.

Not much help, am I!

Wax
09-23-2013, 11:47 PM
Here's the new 2014 LSV video. Just posted on saturday

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inHXfsXW-Yk

Cool video! LSV seems hard to beat...

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moombadaze
10-01-2013, 02:25 PM
Cool video! LSV seems hard to beat...
..

gotta agree with that

jstenger
02-18-2014, 10:20 PM
Well, it's boat show time, and that means it's time to order the new boat. I decided to go with the LSV. My wife and I went over the colors tonight, and this is what we came up with.

http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/dd382/Joestenger/3d934febab50070119fba578bd35d040.jpg (http://s1217.photobucket.com/user/Joestenger/media/3d934febab50070119fba578bd35d040.jpg.html)

http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/dd382/Joestenger/6c56f641152b30a20ccc9fbecc6b22a4.jpg (http://s1217.photobucket.com/user/Joestenger/media/6c56f641152b30a20ccc9fbecc6b22a4.jpg.html)

I found these pics on the internet of what the interior will be. The only difference is that the deck color will be platinum, not charcoal as shown.

http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/dd382/Joestenger/Website_900_2014-LSV_Upholstery11-1.jpg (http://s1217.photobucket.com/user/Joestenger/media/Website_900_2014-LSV_Upholstery11-1.jpg.html)

http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/dd382/Joestenger/012_zpsac93a27aresize-1.jpg (http://s1217.photobucket.com/user/Joestenger/media/012_zpsac93a27aresize-1.jpg.html)

OPTIONS

345 Motor
Bow Filler Cusion
Nonskid Package
Pop Up Cleats
Swivel Board Racks
Fixed Board Racks
Full Cover
Tower Bimini
ACME 1235
Depth Finder
Spare Tire With Bracket
Fulton F2 Jack
Swing Away Tongue
On Board Charger

Henri3
02-18-2014, 10:27 PM
nice boat! sharp looking interior

mikenehrkorn
02-18-2014, 10:32 PM
Congrats -- looks like a winner!!!


2013 Outback V
2003 SeaRay 182 -- gone but not forgotten...

wolfeman131
02-18-2014, 11:26 PM
Whoo hoooo!

13mobiusLSV
02-18-2014, 11:41 PM
Congrats, you'll love the surf motor


2013 Moomba Mobius LSV
2003 Ebbtide Campioné
1969 Sea Ray

Boatdrinks797
02-19-2014, 03:11 AM
Loooking good! I like the grey/charcoal seating and wish I would have gone with that in place of the primary white colors I picked.

Can someone please explain why the Mondo which is shorter/lighter than then the LSV is priced higher with identical options?

jstenger
02-19-2014, 07:21 AM
Can someone please explain why the Mondo which is shorter/lighter than then the LSV is priced higher with identical options?

Check your numbers again. The Mondo should be about $1500 less than the LSV.

mcdye
02-19-2014, 09:17 AM
I really like the charcoal and orange combo. Those colors go great together.

fyi.. I believe the interiors shot you posted are dove grey/silver. The scheme you designed sky grey/silver will be lighter..

patrick232
02-19-2014, 09:36 AM
Loooking good! I like the grey/charcoal seating and wish I would have gone with that in place of the primary white colors I picked.

Can someone please explain why the Mondo which is shorter/lighter than then the LSV is priced higher with identical options?

The Mondo should be about $1,500 - $2,000 less with same options, unless supply can't keep up with demand. My dealer has told be the Mondo has been a hit.

Congrats on the New LSV, you will love how the water dances on the orange hull, it'll look like live flames.

kaneboats
02-19-2014, 10:49 AM
That thing is crazy hot looking. Love to see your own pics when you bring her home. Congrats!

uniwarking
02-23-2014, 06:05 PM
Congrats!


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costanza
02-24-2014, 09:50 AM
Well, it's boat show time, and that means it's time to order the new boat. I decided to go with the LSV. My wife and I went over the colors tonight, and this is what we came up with.

http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/dd382/Joestenger/3d934febab50070119fba578bd35d040.jpg (http://s1217.photobucket.com/user/Joestenger/media/3d934febab50070119fba578bd35d040.jpg.html)

http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/dd382/Joestenger/6c56f641152b30a20ccc9fbecc6b22a4.jpg (http://s1217.photobucket.com/user/Joestenger/media/6c56f641152b30a20ccc9fbecc6b22a4.jpg.html)

I found these pics on the internet of what the interior will be. The only difference is that the deck color will be platinum, not charcoal as shown.

http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/dd382/Joestenger/Website_900_2014-LSV_Upholstery11-1.jpg (http://s1217.photobucket.com/user/Joestenger/media/Website_900_2014-LSV_Upholstery11-1.jpg.html)

http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/dd382/Joestenger/012_zpsac93a27aresize-1.jpg (http://s1217.photobucket.com/user/Joestenger/media/012_zpsac93a27aresize-1.jpg.html)

OPTIONS

345 Motor
Bow Filler Cusion
Nonskid Package
Pop Up Cleats
Swivel Board Racks
Fixed Board Racks
Full Cover
Tower Bimini
ACME 1235
Depth Finder
Spare Tire With Bracket
Fulton F2 Jack
Swing Away Tongue
On Board Charger

Hey there, as a cost saver, if you go with the flow, the 345 surf engine is no longer really needed, and you could simply go with the cheaper 330 engine and reduce your costs??? I was at a boat show this past weekend and that's what the Moomba rep was suggesting... Congrats on the new boat!!!

jstenger
02-24-2014, 10:03 AM
The Flow isn't available for the LSV yet. Skiers Choice is working on it, but there is no for sure answer yet.

wolfeman131
02-24-2014, 05:47 PM
Hey there, as a cost saver, if you go with the flow, the 345 surf engine is no longer really needed, and you could simply go with the cheaper 330 engine and reduce your costs??? I was at a boat show this past weekend and that's what the Moomba rep was suggesting... Congrats on the new boat!!!

the 345 was never "needed" but is sure is wanted by us surfers.

What the heck is wrong with your dealer? You need to take them surfing and do it their way (stock ballast, stock motor) then your way/my way (slammed with 3K+ ballast, 345 motor and an upgraded prop.

jstenger
02-27-2014, 04:44 PM
Just left the dealer. My new LSV will be sprayed late March, and I should be able to pick it up middle April. Can't wait!!!

mikenehrkorn
02-27-2014, 05:00 PM
Awesome.......too bad everything will still be ice until May with this winter that won't stop!!! :( :mad:

jstenger
02-27-2014, 11:14 PM
Awesome.......too bad everything will still be ice until May with this winter that won't stop!!! :( :mad:

That will just give me more time to add an IBS, add 1100's, reinforce engine walls, move pumps, add amps, add tower speakers, and hopefully install the Flow if it comes out for the LSV.

jstenger
04-08-2014, 06:32 PM
Dealer called me today. My boat is in. Going there tomorrow to see it and take some pics. Ice should be off the lake by this weekend. Hoping to water test it Saturday.

Mobius22
04-08-2014, 07:52 PM
Dealer called me today. My boat is in. Going there tomorrow to see it and take some pics. Ice should be off the lake by this weekend. Hoping to water test it Saturday.

AWESOME! Congrats!!

jstenger
04-09-2014, 10:06 PM
Got a few pics today. I didn't have enough time to pull the boat outside for pics. I will get some better pics when I water test it and pick it up on Friday.

http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/dd382/Joestenger/20140409_140719.jpg (http://s1217.photobucket.com/user/Joestenger/media/20140409_140719.jpg.html)

http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/dd382/Joestenger/20140409_141605.jpg (http://s1217.photobucket.com/user/Joestenger/media/20140409_141605.jpg.html)

http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/dd382/Joestenger/20140409_141542.jpg (http://s1217.photobucket.com/user/Joestenger/media/20140409_141542.jpg.html)

jpetty3023
04-10-2014, 12:19 AM
dang that interior is sharp!!


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mcdye
04-10-2014, 09:07 AM
Very Sharp!! I really like the orange/charcoal combo.

jstenger
05-11-2014, 07:04 PM
The only good thing about cold weather is snowmobiling and boat modifications. So I summerized the sleds and started the mods. First thing was to remove the rear walls and move the pumps.

http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/dd382/Joestenger/20140422_182540.jpg (http://s1217.photobucket.com/user/Joestenger/media/20140422_182540.jpg.html)

http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/dd382/Joestenger/20140422_182534.jpg (http://s1217.photobucket.com/user/Joestenger/media/20140422_182534.jpg.html)

http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/dd382/Joestenger/20140422_182455.jpg (http://s1217.photobucket.com/user/Joestenger/media/20140422_182455.jpg.html)

There is a piece of starboard at the rear of the engine compartment. It is the perfect size for the pumps and the module. I drilled a couple of 4" holes and mounted the pumps to the face as shown. The module is mounted directly behind them on the back side. By mounting everything as shown, I didn't have to extend any wiring or hoses. I actually had to shorten the hoses. If you look closely at the pic, you can see that I added a couple of brackets on the bottom of the starboard. Not sure if they were needed, but better safe than sorry, since the starboard is only held on by three screw on top. I have ran the boat a few times, and the new setup has worked great. Even though the hoses are near the exhaust, they do not get hot.

jstenger
05-12-2014, 11:13 PM
I added an IBS bag. I removed the hard tank vent hose from the thru hull vent and hooked it to the right leg of the IBS bag. I then added a new section of vent hose between the nose of the IBS bag and the thru hull vent. I decided to change the position of the spring loaded check valve, which is used as a vacuum break for the hard tank. Originally I was going to place it between the hard tank and the IBS bag, but I decided to move it to the vent hose instead. By doing this, there is a constant suction on the bag and the little water that is left in it. As the hard tank empties, any water that is left in the bag continues to be pulled out. The arrow on the spring loaded check valve must point towards the tee. My IBS turns into a raison, and 99% of the water gets pulled out of the hard tank. The system is working flawlessly.

http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/dd382/Joestenger/20140506_195012.jpg (http://s1217.photobucket.com/user/Joestenger/media/20140506_195012.jpg.html)

jstenger
05-12-2014, 11:18 PM
I relocated the battery and added a second battery box for when I upgrade my stereo system. The only reason for this was to make room for my kids' skis.

http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/dd382/Joestenger/20140508_163933.jpg (http://s1217.photobucket.com/user/Joestenger/media/20140508_163933.jpg.html)

jstenger
05-12-2014, 11:25 PM
Finally I replaced the stock rubber dipped forks with new polished triple forks and modified kneeboard forks from Skylon.

http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/dd382/Joestenger/20140508_163351.jpg (http://s1217.photobucket.com/user/Joestenger/media/20140508_163351.jpg.html)

http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/dd382/Joestenger/20140508_163306.jpg (http://s1217.photobucket.com/user/Joestenger/media/20140508_163306.jpg.html)

http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/dd382/Joestenger/20140508_164107.jpg (http://s1217.photobucket.com/user/Joestenger/media/20140508_164107.jpg.html)

jstenger
05-12-2014, 11:32 PM
First day surfing with new boat and first day surfing with new board.

http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/dd382/Joestenger/20140510_172429.jpg (http://s1217.photobucket.com/user/Joestenger/media/20140510_172429.jpg.html)

650# starboard side full.
Center tank full.
IBS full.
Wakeplate full up.
11 mph.
Myself and spotter on starboard side.

mikenehrkorn
05-13-2014, 09:16 AM
Looks great Joe.....we haven't been out yet this year, what is the water temp in MI?

jstenger
05-13-2014, 10:15 AM
Looks great Joe.....we haven't been out yet this year, what is the water temp in MI?
My lake, which is Howard Lake and 10 miles south of Kalamazoo, was 64 degrees this past Sunday.

jstenger
05-18-2014, 10:56 PM
Got my custom black chrome registration numbers put on today with the Moomba font.

http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/dd382/Joestenger/20140518_170002.jpg (http://s1217.photobucket.com/user/Joestenger/media/20140518_170002.jpg.html)

nitrodude24
05-19-2014, 12:02 AM
Sweet registration numbers where did you get them.

jstenger
05-19-2014, 08:44 AM
My salesman got them for me.

patrick232
05-19-2014, 09:52 AM
http://shop.domednumbers.com/ is where I ordered mine from

jstenger
07-18-2014, 10:55 PM
I was able to score a free pair of 1100's today. Quick fitting swap, and they were in. Can't wait t try them out surfing tomorrow.