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maleyb
03-01-2006, 05:57 PM
I just ordered my first boat, an Outback V with:
performance package (325HP MPI, wake plate, perfect pass)
wakeboard package (tower, gravity I)
2 rear bags - ballast
depth finder
spare tire
stereo (free boat show option)
transom remote
cover (free boat show option)
bimini top (free boat show option)
appearance package (cleats, rub rail, dock lights, pole covers)(free boat show option)
water strainer

I paid $34,185 before sales tax. Retail came out to $36,600 if you don't include the free options. Is this a fair price?

I ordered black/platinum. Anyone else have this? Does it look good?

stang67
03-01-2006, 07:05 PM
Sounds sweet! Now plumb in the rear ballast youself (will be cheaper) There are threads on here that have parts lists and everything, do a search. Also keep us posted on when you get it. And pictures!

Well i quickly read through your post and i now feel like and idiot, you have the rear bags i saw gravity I. So yeah SICK BOAT!!!

Witt
03-01-2006, 11:46 PM
hey maleyb,

Congrats on the new boat. You got a really good deal it seems like. I used the configurator on this site to see the price of your boat with all the options you listed, and I came up with something like 36,000 even AFTER the pick 4 boat show incentives. So to get that boat at 34, 185 is a heck of a deal. You need to let me know how you did it. The boat I am looking at is basically the same. On the configurator, my price with the boat show incentives was 34,495. The only difference is i am going with the 310 hp motor, only 1 bag ballast (for now), no spare tire (I can get a white rim and tire somewhere else), and no water strainer. So to me, you're getting the more expensive boat, but for a lower price....so congratulations again! Any advice for me when I haggle with my salesman this weekend would be appreciated.

clark
03-02-2006, 12:04 AM
Keep in mind that the configurator is basically MSRP. DO NOT PAY THAT PRICE.
Last year at the boat show, I bought a 2005 Mobius LSV loaded for about that same price. I go two tone paint
perfect pass
snap in carpet
snap covers
wakeboard racks
325 MFI engine
water strainer
gravity 3 bags
cd w/ 6 speakers
3 yr warranty
depth finder
hydraulic wake plate
pop up cleats
and a couple of other items.
The 2006 Outback V is the same boat as the 2005 Mobius LSV.

My boat configurated at over $40,000. I say that to say,, yes you got a great deal.. I know I did. Remember when you do buy at the show and get the show incentives, those come the manufacturer. Don't forget that the dealer then needs to do his part. He threw in the upgraded engine, water strainer and pol covers as part of my negotiations.

You will LOVE that boat.. However I am glad I bought in 2005 because I like the MOBIUS graphics better.

Have fun and enjoy.

Clark

Swairlines
03-02-2006, 02:32 AM
Originally posted by WittAny advice for me when I haggle with my salesman this weekend would be appreciated.


Witt,

If and when you go to "talk" to your dealer/salesman, when you guys sit down to talk numbers just tell the guy you need a deal you just CAN'T WALK AWAY FROM. If they won't budge from a price just tell them thank you for their time and walk out. I haggled with my dealer a little but I didnt have too much of a hard time. Maybe that's because I bought mine in early to mid Feb of 2005.

You might also want to check out other Moomba dealers in your area (even if that means driving a few hours).

Jeff

smokedog2
03-02-2006, 10:06 AM
Free options are not really free. You and Clark are at about the same price spread. Start asking about priority service for the 20 hour oil change, storage until you need the boat etc. things that you value and the dealer can control.

SD2

Witt
03-02-2006, 10:06 AM
Thanks for the advice guys...

I am going to the boat show in Shreveport, LA this weekend and hope to sit down with my dealer and hopefully come out of there with a new Outback V. My biggest problem with the negotiations is to know what kind of money they will take off of MSRP. When I buy cars, I know Chevy will take more off MSRP than like Nissan will. Its just the markup. Here's the boat I will purchase, if the price is right:

Outback V:
Brittany Blue
325 HP MPI engine
Rad-A-Cage Bimini Top
Moomba Logo Cover
Appearance Package
Wakeboarding Package
Tower Surcharge
Depth Finder
Wakeboard racks
Hydraulic Wakeplate
Transom Audio Remote
AM/FM CD Stereo
Tandem Trailer Upgrade

MSRP before boat show incentives: 39,330

MSRP after boat show incentives: 36,540

So my question...what woule be a good price to shoot for? Out the door for 35,000 (thats including taxes, freight, dealer prep and title and license) seems like a good deal and what I will shoot for...am I being unrealistic?

Thanks for the help guys. First time boat purchase...I am sick of having to share my Dad's boat with my brother...lol. I don't want to screw this up.

Smrtz
03-02-2006, 10:20 AM
Good point Smokedog,
Nothing worse than the feeling you get when you have to come back to your dealer 2 weeks after you drop that kind of cash only to have them charge you another 300.00 for your 20 hr inspection... That floored me when that happened to me.

One of those if I knew then what I know now kinda things..

JoeTechie
03-02-2006, 10:37 AM
As I am to understand it, your dealer is actually paying part of those incentives - so they are not "free". Part of that is being deducted from his/her allowable markup. I think the average is about 5% additional wiggle room for negotiations, but this will differ from dealer to dealer, and from month to month as the demand changes. Also, as previously stated, getting "stuff" is easier than getting $.

Hope this helps,

Joe

Witt
03-02-2006, 12:10 PM
Great advice thanks!

another question...how much can I expect to pay in taxes, title fees, registration, freight, and dealer prep? I know it varies from state to state and from dealer to dealer, but anybody have a ball park figure for me to add in to my calculations? Or if anyone has bought a boat in Texas or Louisiana, maybe you have some numbers I can crunch

Thanks
Witt

Buttafewcoe
03-02-2006, 06:17 PM
Wiit,
.
Insist on the price to include tax, title and prep. When I bought mine, with what I put down, the agreement was the price they quoted me included all of the above.
.
Hope that helps,
.
B

clark
03-03-2006, 09:43 PM
I agree with B. Make sure there are no surprises when you go to pick it up. There are also some small items that you may can get your dealer to throw in as part of the deal.

This has nothing to fo with the dealer, but remember insurance. Mine is about $400 a year for an 05 Mobius LSV. Shop around for companies that specialize in boat insurance.

Clark

gapman
04-26-2006, 10:37 AM
Clark,

Who do you have your insurance with? Progressive quoted me $773.00 a year. I am currently paying $405 a year for a 2000 SeaDoo Speedster with them.

JoeTechie
04-26-2006, 11:03 AM
I have BoatUS - they were the best quote for my location.

http://www.boatus.com/insurance/


-Joe

qb12
04-26-2006, 11:12 AM
paying 630 a year on my 05 supra ssv. i checked around and the best price i received was from ski safe but I have heard some bad stories about them when it comes to claims.

i have a insurance agency so i at least get 20% of my premium back in commision.

word of advice it to make sure you include some equip coverage for all your boards, skis and stereo stuff. those things tend to run away or at least get STOLE. i did some adding over last weekend of just boards and ropes and was over $1800 in that stuff alone.

gotmyboat
04-26-2006, 01:04 PM
I have Allstate and pay $430 for full replacement on my 05 outback. I didn't get coverage on any of my gear, as it is covered under my homeowners policy.

Hope this helps.

BTW - it is finally warm enought in Reno to put the boat in. Lakes are filling up with runoff (BRRRRR.) Good thing I'm still sporting my winter weight :p

Smrtz
04-26-2006, 04:11 PM
sweet i paid almost 900 Canadian for mine last summer... full replacement but, at the boat show there were agencies that were saying make sure you have coverage that pertains specially to pulling ..for water sports.

So Im looking into that now
Im like almost 1000 to insure the boat for 4 months when it isnt in storage! suh weet!

of course last year when I bought it I didnt care either cause I just wanted the boat that was it!

Buttafewcoe
04-26-2006, 06:13 PM
$400 / yr. full replacement State Farm.
.
B

clark
04-26-2006, 11:37 PM
Gapman,

I got mine thru Ski Safe. I got the name from a close friend that has a Nautigue. He has used them for years. USBoat insurance was a close second. Ski Safe offered a full replacement, not pro-rated, for the first 36 months.

I checked about 10 companies and they were the best. I hope I never need to call their claims department.

Clark

jburnside
05-01-2006, 10:27 AM
$435/year on our '05 Mobius LSV with Allstate. That is for full replacement on the boat and trailer and includes a rider for $1500 in gear.

Roachman
05-02-2006, 06:52 PM
Just got my LSV 2006 insured through Boat US last weekend for 418 per year.

jcbridges
06-27-2006, 01:53 PM
As far as insurance goes, there are a number of factors besides price to take into account. Unlike car insurance, I have heard many claim and liability nightmare stories with boat insurance.

JoeTechie
06-27-2006, 08:13 PM
And that out-of-the-blue first post sounded NOTHING like an insurace sales rep! :p

-Joe

jcbridges
06-30-2006, 04:48 PM
Not an insurance agent actually, but what does it matter anyway?

Smrtz
06-30-2006, 05:06 PM
Notice how in post #2 created a second link back...??

JoeTechie
06-30-2006, 10:30 PM
So ... While I was reading this messge on MY COMPUTER (http://www.dell.com) I got thiirsty and got a DRINK (http://www.gatorade.com). But when I sat back down, I felt a strange PAIN (http://www.preparationh.com/) so I decided to go to another SITE. (http://www.supraboats.com/)

yeah - not obvious AT ALL (http://www.boatus.com/insurance/) No OTHER COMPANY (http://affinity.progressive.com/entry.asp?url=www.boats.com&code=8006700001&config =BT) does that quote thing - so cool ! :/


;)


-J

Smrtz
07-11-2006, 12:20 PM
LOL nice Joe!

Buttafewcoe
07-11-2006, 06:32 PM
Heck.......all those links..........Joe's prolly a great golfer 2
.
:p
.
B

jcbridges
07-21-2006, 12:30 PM
Originally posted by JoeTechie


So ... While I was reading this messge on MY COMPUTER (http://www.dell.com) I got thiirsty and got a DRINK (http://www.gatorade.com). But when I sat back down, I felt a strange PAIN (http://www.preparationh.com/) so I decided to go to another SITE. (http://www.supraboats.com/)

yeah - not obvious AT ALL (http://www.boatus.com/insurance/) No OTHER COMPANY (http://affinity.progressive.com/entry.asp?url=www.boats.com&code=8006700001&config =BT) does that quote thing - so cool ! :/


;)


-J


That was actually really funny.

Smrtz
07-21-2006, 12:36 PM
The fact that you just cant make a post without having a link in it just proves the point.. I dont see you posting links of other marine insurance places. In fact I dont see that you are making any other posts at all. At very least you could be honest about it. there are other people that host sites and post them here boating related or not.
Seems like a cheap ploy to establish links back to that site to help boost rankings..
Im sure at some point the mods will take care of it!

JoeTechie
07-21-2006, 07:10 PM
I'm sure from whatever Marketing School (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hell) you are from makes you feel like this is a Normal (http://www.stupid.com/) thing to do, however - the rest of us are a bit Tired (http://www.bored.com/), so I bid you Good Luck (http://www.flalottery.com/) and FAREWELL (http://bau2.uibk.ac.at/sg/python/Sounds/HolyGrail.wav/taunt.wav)

-J (http://joeboxer.com/)O (http://joetechie.com/)E (http://www.joecartoon.com/)

waketwowake
07-21-2006, 07:14 PM
That same guy is doing this over on Wakeworld as well. He's getting slammed there also.
http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/3183/340044.html?1153495127

Smrtz
07-22-2006, 10:45 AM
this is the web company that is posting www.dbwebsite.com

we should call them for quotes....EVERY DAY!! 626 221.8435

lol Ok I know Ed... leave it alone. I couldnt resist

jcbridges
07-26-2006, 07:48 PM
I apologize to everyone for my actions. I work in web development and United Marine is a client. I have had several favorable responses to posts (one guy said thx for saving him a bunch of money). I have removed all live links and hope this will set things right. Just so you guys know, I am a wakeboarding freak and we have a Supra. Again, I am sorry for my posts, I never intended for any animosity.

gotmyboat
07-26-2006, 08:31 PM
Hey JC -

Thanks for manning up. It would have been better for you to be upfront and say " I work with this company and they are good people." That way we know your connection and that you are endorsing them. This is a community and we like to keep things above 'board.' (Pun intended on multiple levels.)

Stick around and talk about boats and boarding.

Dave :p

Smrtz
07-28-2006, 10:21 AM
Thanks JC!
Pretty cool of you to make it right!!