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wolfeman131
02-16-2014, 09:52 AM
Wow. Actually found something worthwhile on WakeWorld. :)

http://www.outsideonline.com/outdoor-adventure/snow-sports/skiing-and-snowboarding/snowboarding/Snowboarding-Is-Screwed.html

The OP made a very good observation between the obvious parallel between snowboarding and wakeboarding. With what MC just did to the PWT, I'm afraid the sport may be heading down the same path. Hopefully, others will take note and work to avoid such pitfalls. And maybe, just maybe, that section of this forum that was recently hearing the approach of the Grim Reaper will rise again.

sandm
02-16-2014, 11:54 AM
interesting.

guy that used to surf with us is an avid snowboarder and liked to wakeboard, but his 15yo daughter has only ever snowskiied. he won't buy her a board and she has no interest..

I would highly doubt wake/slalom will go the same route in the short term. surfing, I believe, has started to replace boarding and will continue to do so just as your family. parents get older, all they do is surf and kids will naturally gravitate toward parents activities.

mgswake
02-16-2014, 04:30 PM
I disagree with many of the points in that article. I am from Ohio and have been living in SC for the past two years. We moved for my wife to attend school here. Anyway, the author says he skis in Colorado. I have been to Winter Park resort. There are a good bit more skiers there than snowboarders. However, on the hills in Ohio nobody skis. I would say 75% or more snowboard. He mentions snowboard sales are down. I bet ski sales are down as well. Sales in general are way down. DUH, look at the economy. I would like to see the numbers, but there are still plenty of skiers and snowboarders.

One of the reasons wakeboarding is shrinking, is no one can afford a boat anymore. Nautiques, MC and Malibu were 50-60k 10 years ago new. Moomba LSV was 39999 new 8 yrs ago. The people that can afford these boats are mostly older individuals with jobs and cant take hard crashes, so they surf.

I just do not agree with the article you posted. But I do think a majority of people are moving toward surfing.

On a side note, I will take a set or two on a choppy day or when I am worn out. How do people surf 100% of the time? Do they not get bored?

Mikey
02-16-2014, 07:09 PM
I agree and diagree, but as a Avid Slalom skier and a snow skier, i really never saw the reason to change. As mentioned in both forms of the sports, people are not willing to risk the crashes, and injuries etc, that sadly are very easy to do.

I have tryed both and i still Enjoy Slalom and 2 skis over wakeboards and snow boards anytime. Many Young adults who grew up snowboarding or ones that switched for awhile are going back. My Daughters boyfriend is a prime example. Started skiing young and has now switched back to skis due to being tired of getting beat up.. Granted he still skis on th reckless side, he finds more control and less injuries skiing and Now he has started to give in to Slalom.

He never waterskied,before wakeboard, but from watching myself and others ,he has decided that there is more than enough challenge, to give him his adrenaline rush and way less likely resulting injuries from pushing yourself,to accel in the sport.


Surfing is another nice sport, way easier on the body and seems to be very family friendly,only problem is it takes certain boats and pretty much need to be set up fairly drastically to do this properly.... Not gonna happen from runabouts and outs boards... At least not safely.

Maybe, just maybe, but kinda unlikely Ski boats(DD)'s are not as dead as some may think or its definetely gonna put more enfacise or TRUE Cross over boats. Most manufacturers have a boat that they say\call a cross over but as most true skiers will tell you there are few good ones.

Not to piss some off, but Supra in particular really has NO crossover thats worth skiing ,luckily the Moomba Outback fills in for that void, but some others have kinda the same issues.

Do not get me wrong, there are a couple exceptional cross overs ie Nautique 200Sport and Malibu VTX but with starting price points of about 80k, kinda hard to sell these?? to the average guy wanting to do it all.


Maybe, ski boats or more econoline boats are gonna have to be a thing of the future???

marman
02-16-2014, 07:12 PM
I grew up snow skiing and water skiing. Over the years due to career/life I have got out of both sports. If I was 16-19 again and was headed to the ski slope I would snowboard. But honestly I am 43 years old and I know how hard the ground is so I will stick to skiing. Many of my friends still go out west or up north and they tell me their kids are snowboarding while the parents ski. It's what they grew up doing.

It wasn't until recently I decided to purchase a boat and get my kids involved in water sports. I bought kids skis and a wakeboard and honestly all the kids want to wakeboard. Me and my buddies are learning to wakeboard and I can't even get the guys who used to slalom to do it anymore. They want to wakeboard! I did pick up up surf board this winter but honestly I even like wake boarding more than skiing. On the north end of lake lanier we have only seen 1 guy surfing. Heck we didn't even know what they were doing at first. Of course on the North end you also have Corey Bradley and Jon Hunt taking sets and everyone just pulls over and watches the magic.

I still slalom some but honestly I want to learn more about wake boarding. Sure it is more dangerous but I love it. I am still looking to surf some as well and time will tell how well my body can hold up to wake boarding.

I just want my kids to do something active on the water. That stupid tube doesn't count.

rca
02-16-2014, 08:06 PM
I love to snow ski. If it wasn't so freaking hard for me to get up on a snowboard I might do that, but I'm 47, don't bend well and I'm carrying to much weight. That means just getting down and up on a snowboard wears me out. I've done it several times over the last few years and enjoyed it but I've fallen much harder snowboarding than I ever fell skiing.

Same sort of goes for water sports. When we bought the boat I got a slalom ski and a wakeboard. I mainly wake boarded because the slalom killed me physically. I enjoyed the wakeboard but then we took up surfing and I could do that a long longer. Didn't hurt as much to fall either. I'm still feeling pretty challenged by surfing so I don't see getting bored with it. Surfing is now the primary activity in our boat.

I still snow ski though.

moombahighrider
02-16-2014, 08:51 PM
I read that outside magazine article and found myself doubting the 'facts'. Interestingly, there are some links within that article (and right after it) that point to another article that completely disagrees with that article and points strongly to the economy and other facets to account for the stats. It's all subjective...

saskyrider
02-16-2014, 11:19 PM
I think part of it is that wakesurfing is relatively new so its the cool sexy new thing to try.... I think it will balance out but in my case I was way to hard on my body when I was snowboarding as a teenager. Now it cant handle the pounding of wake boarding and im not content just to jump the wake.. so I surf and there is lots of tricks for me to learn as well.

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rdlangston13
02-17-2014, 12:54 AM
I still disagree with wake surfing be the cool new thing. I understand why the older boating crowd enjoys it but wakeboarding still has it's place. I can count on one finger the number of times we surfed last summer and on the river by and large wake boarding is more prevalent than surfing is. I will say the rise in surfing popularity definitely has something to do with the cost of boats keeping younger people off the water this decreasing the number of wakeboarders


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jmvotto
02-17-2014, 07:59 AM
Snowboarding is alive and well in new York, as well in the west. We had a crew of 7 guys from SD join our snowcat in Park city and 6 of the 7 boarded. They we all in there 40's.

We still board half the time on the boat as well as waterski and surf. Kids mostly like to board and ski, adults like to surf.

smitty75
02-17-2014, 10:35 AM
I grew up 15 minutes from 2 ski resorts, and skiing/snowboarding was an almost every day event from November-April. Most of us grew up skiing, and switched over to boarding when it got popular. I think each has it's place, a nice powder day, nothing beats a board. All mountain, definitely skis. Park/Pipe, it's a toss up. Since moving to SC, my biggest problem with either is how much they want for lift tickets down here. I can get an all day lift ticket in Vermont for what they are asking at our little shit-show 2 hill local ski area. I just can't justify dropping $200 for my wife and I to go skiing/boarding for a day on 2 tiny hills with crappy machine snow.

I think a lot of it has to do with pain and ease of learning. Skiing is no doubt easier to be good at and much less painful than boarding is. And now that you can do and go anywhere boards can go (free skiing), a lot of people opt for the skis. Same with wakeboarding vs surfing. I really enjoy wakeboarding, but it takes a long time and a lot of damn hard crashes to get to a decent level. However, one summer of surfing and you can pretty much out ride the wave/boat and look like a pro.

wolfeman131
02-17-2014, 11:06 AM
However, one summer of surfing and you can pretty much out ride the wave/boat and look like a pro.

Really? After one summer you're able to ride like this?

http://youtu.be/fCLRz3fQfIc

BTW - young Chris here actually placed THIRD at World's in 2013.

smitty75
02-17-2014, 11:32 AM
Man I wish I had a wave like that to find out. Looks pretty damn nice.

The pro comment was definitely intended with some sarcasm. My point was simply that skiing seems to be relatively easier to learn than snowboarding, as wake surfing seems relatively easier to pickup than wake boarding. All are still challenging, and a blast to learn. I just think more people are inclined to pickup a sport that is less painful and has a quicker learning curve.

wolfeman131
02-17-2014, 11:40 AM
I just think more people are inclined to pickup a sport that is less painful and has a quicker learning curve.

I agree & more parents are inclined to push their children to a sport that doesn't result in major injuries. Couple this with David's remarks and you can start to see what may be on the horizon.

Mikey
02-17-2014, 03:45 PM
I have to disagree with the comment about skiing being easier to learn than snowboarding. I have to admit with the newer snow skis it is easier to master , but years ago it took years to get good at skiing where as on a snowboard and even a wakeboard to get reasonably good coud be easily done in a couple seasons.

skiyaker
02-17-2014, 05:56 PM
You guys who haven't yet tried a free ski like the Radar Satori you should give it a try. It's as easy to get up on as a wake board and its big enough you can ski at slow speeds. My wife and 67 year old dad both ski the slalom course at 22 mph. It's a lot of fun and could be a game changer.

Cigars n scotch
02-18-2014, 06:54 PM
Mgswake and smitty75, where at in SC are you located?

smitty75
02-18-2014, 08:22 PM
Mgswake and smitty75, where at in SC are you located?

I'm in the Greenville area. How about yourself?

Cigars n scotch
02-20-2014, 11:06 PM
I'm in the Greenville area. How about yourself?

Fort Mill right outside CLT and Lake Wylie.

saskyrider
02-21-2014, 09:57 AM
You guys who haven't yet tried a free ski like the Radar Satori you should give it a try. It's as easy to get up on as a wake board and its big enough you can ski at slow speeds. My wife and 67 year old dad both ski the slalom course at 22 mph. It's a lot of fun and could be a game changer.

I gotta say if I could ski at 25 mph or under I would def rip off a few sets every now and then... thats awesome

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moombadaze
02-21-2014, 11:01 AM
who makes this Radar Satori ?

kaneboats
02-21-2014, 11:12 AM
Radar skis

http://www.radarskis.com/#!-/skis/-/TheSatori

http://www.bartswatersports.com/catalog/Slalom_Water_Skis/Radar_Satori_Slalom_Water_Ski_2014_RR4192/index.asp

moombadaze
02-21-2014, 11:16 AM
thanks, might have to think about that, really miss skiing and that might work for me

kaneboats
02-21-2014, 11:30 AM
There's always the Connelly Big Daddy-- watch Craigslist and ebay:

http://www.connellyskis.com/product/connelly_slalom_ski_big_daddy

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Connelly-Big-Daddy-Slalom-WaterSki-Front-Adj-w-Rear-Toe-Strap-L-LX-/261375633070?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cdb33a6ae

skiyaker
02-21-2014, 10:09 PM
I gotta say if I could ski at 25 mph or under I would def rip off a few sets every now and then... thats awesome

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My brother and I used to ski together until he fractured both wrists- has pins in both. He just couldn't take the pull any more on a traditional slalom ski. When I got the satori he started skiing again with me which is awesome. The satori feels very boardlike- it's completely flat on the bottom and flexes a lot so it's a unique feel. More than just a big ski. Actually 25 mph would be a little fast for it.

BensonWdby
02-22-2014, 10:25 AM
I have been in the boat when Andy Mapple ran 22off at 15 mph on his competition ski - impressive - but it did not look like fun. The wake is huge - I mean that is slower than trick speeds. Trying to imagine the wake at 22-24 mph in the course - I can't imagine that it is helping your slslom form at all. But if you are never going to go back to real skiing and having fun - what the heck.