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Shoemaker Mobius
11-07-2006, 04:22 PM
Skier's Choice,
In the below topic on the General Chat BB, I posted about my new boat cover:

http://www.moomba.com/msgboard/viewtopic.php?t=3439&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=

I have gotten significant numbers of complements on the new cover. More importantly, I believe the cover makes the boat look much better (see the old cover picture versus the new cover pictures). I absolutely hated the original cover and it never worked worth a darn. The new cover enhances the graceful, sleek look of the boat.

Here's the thing - why doesn't Skier's Choice offer this cover as an upgraded cover? A poleless, towable, great looking cover was well worth the money to me and I don't see too many others that value their boats squawking about the cost. Just wondering why not?

Jon
11-07-2006, 08:07 PM
You guys should really check out the 2007 Supra and Moomba covers. They are made of a new material called weather-max. It is SOOO nice. It looks very similar to the custom one you had made. I know the Supra one is trailerable. The only difference between the Supra and Moomba covers for 2007 is that the Supra straps come off. I think that if you find a way to control your straps from flapping around, the Moomba cover could be towable as well.

qb12
11-09-2006, 07:19 PM
Jon, I agree with what you are saying about the new covers offered for the 07 supra's/ moomba covers. Very nice. :D

In my point of view anyone with a 06 or older Supra or a 05 Moomba(new models) are out of luck having the option for these much better updated covers unless someone from sc can give us any feedback.

On my first use of my cover the front starboard strap ripped all the way half way thru to the playpen.

db

Jon
11-09-2006, 07:43 PM
These new covers will fit on a lot of the older boats. Like the 2007 Outback V cover will fit on 2001-2005 Mobius LSV's and LS's. The 2007 Outback cover should fit back to 2002 Outbacks. The 2007 XLV cover will fit all XLV's.

For Supra, the 2007 21V cover will fit all 21Vs and 21s back until 2005. Of course the 2007 24 covers will fit all 24's. Anybody with older 22SSV's, LTS's and slightly older boats will have to get something custome made.

Shoemaker Mobius
11-09-2006, 08:18 PM
Jon,
Are you 100% certain the new covers have no poles and are trailerable? And, they will perfectly fit the older Moomas? It sounds like SC may have come to sanity on some of its covers, but your comments on guessing on the Moomba covers does everyone no good. How about a solid, response from Skiers Choice on this???

Jon
11-09-2006, 08:31 PM
Yes, I am sure the covers will fit on the boat I have mentioned above. The new covers DO HAVE the sleeves for poles but I have found that the covers fit so good on the boat, the poles are usually not needed. Also, these covers DO HAVE straps. You will need to find a way to secure the straps inside the cover (or remove them) so that they do not flap on the side of the boat.

The factory will tell you that the Moomba covers are not trailerable but in my experience they have worked fine at low speeds at short distances with the straps secured inside the boat. Also, let me clear up some confusion. I am not saying to use this cover while trailering a boat. I do not think there is a cover on the market anywhere that is truly trailerable that will not hurt your boat in any way. I am saying that if you must tow with a cover, this may be an option. In my experience it has worked.

Shoemaker Mobius
11-09-2006, 10:29 PM
As long as the covers have sleeves for poles and SC says they are not trailerable,, my posting stands. My cover requires no poles, has no sleeves for them and comes without them. It is clearly supported as trailerable. This is the upgrade we need, not an unsupported version of a weak cover from SC.

Shoemaker Mobius
11-10-2006, 09:38 AM
Ed,
You're being facetious, aren't you? I know you know that most of the add-ons from Skier's Choice are after market, not manufactured by Skier's Choice (such as the tower, racks, stereo, pop-up cleats, ....). In fact, Skier's Choice (as are most of the boat manufacturers) is more of an assembler than a manufacturer. Other than the hull, most of the boat is off-the-shelf , aftermarket components (engines, transmissions, etc). I would also bet big that Skier's Choice does not make their own boat covers.

What I am asking is having an upgrade choice, from Skier's Choice on the covers. I would bet that Skier's Choice has a majority share of first time new boat owners. Based on this website and the discussions, I believe I would easily win that bet. For a first time new boat owner, you tend to get what is recommended. In fact, the boat cover was one of the five add-on items offered for free as part of the boat show promotion. I bought at the boat show and it was highly recommended that I get the boat cover as one of the five free items. It was the only item I regretted getting - a complete waste of money. And, in following these forums, it is a universal complaint. For $600+ dollars, the cover never worked worth a damn (the poles and sleeves are a joke and continue to be if you look at the BB forums) and wore out in 2.5 years. I would have loved to have Skier's Choice or the dealer tell me I needed a boat cover, but for $200 more I could get a trailerable, poleless, easy to use and much better looking cover than the regular cover and it would last much longer.

That didn't happen because SC only offers one basic cover.

BTW, I likewise would bet that SC makes significant profit on what you call accessories.

Smrtz
11-10-2006, 10:41 AM
Ed Im going to stop by Watersports of Central Florida next time Im down there just because of all the little plugs you give them!
:wink:

JoeTechie
11-10-2006, 11:02 AM
Attwood made the SC cover the last few years - this year they changed, so I am not sure who makes the new weather-tek one.

-J

p.s. Bob & Rob @ WS of CFL are the best !

goose
11-10-2006, 11:19 AM
I will try to answer some of the questions brought up on this post.

Over the years we have used several different canvas covers on our boats. The majority of these years we used a non-sunbrella material from Attwood on the Supra and Moomba models. We choose this material because we felt it was the best value and provided good protection for a fair price. However, we did start getting feedback from many consumers that it did not meet their expectations. 2 years ago we changed the Supra cover to the Sunbrella material but left the Moomba cover alone. We have gotten more feedback from NMMA CSI numbers and these types of forums and for 2007 choose to go to the Weather Max material as Jon described. The 2007 Moomba covers are from Attwood and have same design but different material, and the 2007 Supra covers are a new design from Great Lakes and also new material. As Jon said, the Supra covers do have removable straps, vents, and while we don't recommend it, can be used in towing applications. The Moomba and Supra covers both still have pole locations and we still recommend using them and the straps when storing for long periods of time. While some covers may say they do not require straps or poles, we feel pretty strongly that is not the best recommendation. We could be wrong.

You have to understand as a manufacturer we have to try and develop bullet proof products that meets our customers expectations. While some times we don't succeed that is our goal. That is hopefully what technology and new product development is all about. Also, that is why many times we are rather conservative in what we say our products can do. If we say our covers do not require poles or straps and can be trailered, then it leads to a certain type of expectation. While that may be great for initial sales, it will hurt us in the long run. However, if we don't mislead you and your expectations are lower and we exceed those expectations then hopefully you will be a happier customer and a return customer. Hope that makes sense.

Also, Jon is correct on almost all of the retrofit sizes. The only one that sticks out in my mind is the XLV cover. The 2007 cover will not fit the 2004 XLV (first year). We slightly changed the tower in 2005 and has been the same since.

The rest should be correct. If anyone has a specific request, you might want to email me to confirm. Thanks.

Matt Brown
Product Manager

Smrtz
11-10-2006, 11:22 AM
Ed, I have been down there 4x in the last 3 years. I'd travelled lots of places, lived in barbados for a few years but never been to Florida. When my wife found out we started going every year and I love it there. We usually stay around ratworld but take lots of day trips This fall was the first time I didnt go because of new baby. I really missed it!

I will be there for the Jam- Bor-REEEE forsure this year. My 6 month parental leave starts March 07/07 so I have 6 months and have already cleared it with the Boss..

Im stoked so any details that you get make sure you pass them along

Shoemaker Mobius
11-10-2006, 12:43 PM
Goose (Matt Brown),
Thanks for the info. I can tell you the cover I now have does not use poles and is trailerable. We just got finished with some torrential rains and the cover shed the water perfectly - no pooling whatsoever. I have used the poles with the old cover and they are absolutely useless. We eventually somewhat solved the pooling problem by putting in a tripod near the rear seat and an upside down flower pot in the nose. If you have read these forums about the cover issues, you will have seen several people going to the extent of building pvc frames to fix the poles/pooling problems.

While Covercrafts is just starting to do Moombas, they have done Malibus for years. Rankin makes a very similar cover. I suggest you look at them. No poles, no pooling, and trailerable.

Shoemaker Mobius
11-10-2006, 02:31 PM
Ed G,
Covercrafts has been doing Malibus for years. I have seen a Malibu cover, in Texas, that is out in the sun 365 days per year. The black Covercraft cover was 7 years old and still looked like new - no fading at all. I can guarantee Austin, TX gets as intense, direct Sun as you get in Florida.

BTW, here is the Malibu photo that helped sell me on Covercrafts:

http://thumb7.webshots.net/t/42/43/4/83/94/2911483940054078187fTQnRg_th.jpg (http://sports.webshots.com/photo/2911483940054078187fTQnRg)

goose
11-10-2006, 03:11 PM
Shoemaker,

Thanks for the info. Again, sorry our old cover did not work well for you. Sounds like you are happy and that is the main thing. We will investigate the Covercraft and Rankin covers.

Thanks and hope you continue to enjoy your boat.

matt

wake_rookie
11-10-2006, 06:25 PM
This may be a stupid question but, what makes a cover trailerable? I have the 06 LSV, towed my boat with the cover all the time. I didn't seem to have a problem. I do have a problem with the snaps. The end up braking so I have to get those fixed.

qb12
11-11-2006, 09:04 AM
wakerookie, it's the straps that will scratch your gelcoat.

i have trailed with mine once after i repaired the rip in the cover. but over the straps i put pipe insulation which did not allow the straps to rub.

still waiting for cory at covercraft to get back with me on getting one for my supra. he said they have had the worse amount of rain in many years.

db