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    Quote Originally Posted by jonyb View Post
    You get what you pay for.....

    You guys are saying $300-$400, it sounds like they're not doing anything special. There's a lot of variables to an install. Custom ampracks, keeping all the wiring hidden, and also making the install bulletproof so when the boat crushes big waves it won't all fall apart. When you add 4-5 amps that are fairly large, you'll run out of room and have to do something pretty creative. Thats when the price starts going up. Things like that are very time consuming.

    Big shops have big taxes, big insurance premiums, payroll, and other big expenses. They also pay the best installers to do the job.
    Right you are JonyB. I have a ton amount of time in my system install. All the connections are solid and heat shrunk, all the wires and connections are first rate. I don't think 400 is bad to pay for a lot of this, but when they said 1K for the tower all it was is to run the wires into the cubby and mount an amp. That was a bit much, even last summer i did it in 9 hours learning the whole time and that's equal to paying myself 100 an hour.

    I'm not saying or implying my install can compete with the Pros out there but if you look at the install its pretty tight. Theres a couple things i see that i want to fix but i will get those done. I have great respect to the pros and those others here like yourself that do this for a living and wouldn't try to stand in the same league as you.

    Then again a determined owner with some time and patience can get it done and then look back and be proud of the work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bbyquist View Post
    mmandley - Portland is about 6-7hr drive each way so I would think any cost savings would be offset by a hefty gas bill. Thanks for the kind offer though.

    I'm going to look for a couple more quotes just to make sure the first two were in line. I have a lead on a couple smaller shops in the area that apparently do nice work with boats.
    sent you a pm. let me know if you recieved it.
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    Mr BB -

    I enjoyed the read about tower speakers and everyone’s points. To me, it almost seems underhanded when I read other manufacturers commenting or comparing and contrasting their product directly to ours. It really only tells a one sided story. Fact is, in 2010, there are many great brands out there on the market that address specific wakesports products. Exile and WS are just two of them. In short, Exile is a newer generation product than most with a lot of innovative features and this has lead many hardcore enthusiasts to make the change to Exile gear. It’s just a better “complete package”. Of course, that’s my opinion. No, our package wont solve world hunger, or even cure the common cold either. But it does sound GREAT!

    Here’s a few facts:

    XM7 offers a full 2 year warranty. That’s a hands down winner! Period! Other companies offer as little as 45 days. Do the research and ask yourself, if this is important to you.

    XM7 is the only tower speaker you can spin in 360 degrees with ease or getting tangled in wires. Other brands offer upgrades and add-on’s to try to mimic our design. Being able to quickly and easily loosen a thumb screw lets you put sound on virtually any location of the boat. Don’t be fooled by other claims of swivel this or that. By all means, demo this feature. It’s cool!

    XM7 is the only tower speaker protected by a USA patent for its clamping abilities / design / innovation.

    XM7 is the only tower speaker that passes the audio signal directly thru the clamp itself. (part of the patent). This gives you a wireless / integrated look when the speakers are on the tower. And when you remove the speakers, it leaves a nicely terminated tower clamp. Damn nice innovation!

    XM7 speakers include neoprene, zippered wetsocks to protect against bugs and such on the tower during transportation and also double as a carrying / storage cover when you remove your speakers from the tower. I wouldn’t call this earth shattering innovation but it is a nice touch, and its free!

    XM7 is the only speaker on the market that you can demo on your own boat risk free. And I mean risk free. Exile has a demo program.

    Here’s a few subjective opinions:

    I think the question ultimately is how much weight versus performance do you want to put on your tower. If its not a concern, strap the biggest damn speaker you can find up there and call it good. I think Peavy makes an 18” horn. Hehe! But the fact is, this was a major design element for Exile and the XM7 as Razzman pointed out is lighter weight than any of the other two options..

    Secondly, the ultimate comparison is price. At 850.00 retail, is about the same cost (50.00 higher) than the pro60 and 150.00 less expensive than the pro80 so it really comes down to how much do you want to spend? You have to decide that, not any of us. In summary, I think the XM7 is right on the mark for performance, features, ease of use, functionality and cost.

    As for the second part of your question – The Sub, which I think everyone, forgot to discuss…. You might take a look at the recent thread posts on this forum. Exile has a great 12” enclosure system that drops right into the LS/LSV helm and would make a HUGE difference to your sound if you do not already have a sub.

    From an acoustic standpoint, adding a subwoofer into your system will give you almost 2 octaves of sound that your missing right now. It will also allow you to focus your cabin speakers on what they do best. Playing 80Hz and above. This in-turn would allow you to run your cabin amplifier in high pass mode and there’s a lot of benefits to that as well. I would highly recommend that you look at adding a subwoofer even if your not a bass head.

    Shoot me a PM if you need any specific info on this stuff.

    Cheers!

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    WOW i didn't know most of that! Now see that's what i'm talking about, a company that believes in their product so much that they offer an unheard of warranty and a demo program! That's old Skool business imo and not just a company out for the money! Way to go Exile!
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    Here is the WS warranty

    http://www.wetsounds.com/pages/warra...nfo_about.html



    What This Warranty Covers
    This is a “Limited” warranty. This warranty covers any defects in materials and workmanship with your new Wet Sounds™ product. This warranty only applies to the original purchaser and is not transferable. This warranty is also only valid if the original purchase was made from an authorized Wet Sounds™ dealer.

    How Long Coverage Last
    This warranty runs for one year from the date of the purchase. ***You need to REGISTER your warranty online within 45 days of your purchase at www.wetsounds.com - click on “warranty registration” – to activate the full ONE YEAR warranty. If you do not register within time allotted then your warranty beyond 45 days may be Null and Void.


    What Is Not Covered
    This warranty does not cover fading or discoloration caused by use of chemicals such as ammonia, household bleach, or any cleaning material that contains abrasive substances. (For information on how to prevent fading or discoloration, consult www.wetsounds.com for recommendations on cleaning products) Wet Sounds, Inc. does not cover the cost for removal and reinstallation of your Wet Sounds™ product. Additionally, shipping TO Wet Sounds™, Inc. is covered by the purchaser. This warranty is void and inapplicable if Wet Sounds™ deems that the product was abused or misused; including but not limited to damage caused by accident, mishandling, improper installation, negligence, normal wear and tear, excessive water or heat damage, excessive UV exposure, freight damage or speakers that have had the drivers removed by anyone other than Wet Sounds™ technical staff. Wet Sounds™ shall not be responsible for any incidental or consequential damages, except to the extent provided (or prohibited) by applicable law.

    What Wet Sounds™, Inc. Will Do
    Wet Sounds™, Inc will repair any part of your Wet Sounds™ product that proves to be defective in materials or workmanship. In the event repair is not possible, Wet Sounds™, Inc will replace the part in question. If it is deemed necessary Wet Sounds™, Inc. will either replace the entire Wet Sounds™ product with a refurbished Wet Sounds™ product or it will be replaced with a model that is similar in price if that model is no longer available. Labor cost and materials needed to complete this service will be at no charge to the purchaser. Additionally, the cost of shipping TO the consumer is also covered under this warranty.

    How To Get Service
    Contact Wet Sounds™, Inc. either by phone at 877-938-7757 or by email at warranty@wetsounds.com. A service representative will assist you in the necessary actions to concur that the problem that you are experiencing is covered under warranty and what to do if it needs to be shipped to
    Wet Sounds™, Inc.

    How State Law Applies
    This warranty gives you specific legal rights, and you may also have other rights which vary from state to state.

    INTERNET WARNING

    Wet Sounds, Inc. products sold on any non authorized web site or ANY internet auction site are void of any and all manufacturer’s warranty. Please contact Wet Sounds™ at 877-938-7757 or visit our web site at www.wetsounds.com to search for an authorized site and/or an authorized retailer near you.

    CAUTION & RESPECT

    Wet Sounds™ speakers can achieve very high sound pressure levels. Please use this product responsibly. Be aware that sound travels great distances across water so please respect other boaters especially while loading/unloading at the ramp or dock. Wet Sounds, Inc. is not responsible for any violations of the law that may be a direct result of excessive volume. Please abide by the rules but have fun doing it.


    Toll Free: 877-938-7757

    The main difference in Exiles warranty is it based on the fact you bought there speakers. Not that you remember to register it.

    Also i can attest to Brain at Exile wont be replacing anything you send him with Refurbished gear. You get your gear fixed or brand new gear.

    Even if you register your gear its still a 1 year warrenty.

    2 years is unheard of in audio and with the environment you run and store the boat in, 2 years is where the real warranty is.
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    Wow, refurbished? Really? What's up with that? I wouldn't want a refurb replacement for a defective product from anybody, regardless of what it is or the cost. Factor in the initial cost in question here though and that's just plain crazy imo.
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    razz and mandley, you sure ya'll dont work for exile? LOL

    Ask anyone around and they will tell you that Wet Sounds has the best customer service and after sale support around. Also if you read the words on the 45 days it says "may" But, It is a 1 year warranty. You can also ask around and you will find that we go above and beyond for all our customers. No matter what and when and we always make it right. Also look around at other companies and the verbage on warranties and they are similar. Repair or replace with new or refurb. Normally it is new. We also have a proven track record of time on the water.

    Tim
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    No i don't work for Exile, in fact i don't work for anyone right now. Went back to school for my degree as the job market sucks big time in California. I just have a tendancy to get very passionate about a company, product or service i really like or feel goes out of their way is all so i spread the word for everyone's benefit.
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    Man this thread has really taken off! I just want to extend a big thanks to everyone that has weighed in here. So many positive reviews for both these companies that it will be hard for me to decide until I hear them back to back.



    On a less exciting note, my service shop informed me that I "need" ~$1500 of gel coat work done. Guess now I have to choose between stereo and gel coat... (see the thread I started in Service & Repair for details)
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    Quote Originally Posted by wetsounds1 View Post
    razz and mandley, you sure ya'll dont work for exile? LOL

    Ask anyone around and they will tell you that Wet Sounds has the best customer service and after sale support around. Also if you read the words on the 45 days it says "may" But, It is a 1 year warranty. You can also ask around and you will find that we go above and beyond for all our customers. No matter what and when and we always make it right. Also look around at other companies and the verbage on warranties and they are similar. Repair or replace with new or refurb. Normally it is new. We also have a proven track record of time on the water.

    Tim
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    No sir i don't work for Exile i promise. To be honest i was looking at the WS gear last year. I haven't said one thing bad about your product, what i do say is what i know about Exile. Exile is new and i really like there gear. Also if i realy wanted to attack your product i would have posted differently. I posted whats on your site link and its all true.

    Now to be honest and you can say this is true or not. If i or pretty much anyone else says anything bad about WS on Wake World you have a barrage of followers that will jump in. Its like your the Sgt and you have a whole mess of soldiers. This shows you have a great product, but one thing i see all the time is people talk about WS and not talk about there biggest competitor which really is Exile right now.

    With that said i do what everyone that talks about WS does. I preach the company i spent my money with. I don't say Exile are better, i don't say WS is better i talk Exile because i truly understand there gear as i have over 5K worth of it on my boat. WS customers are preaching there product because they believe in it and as they should. When you spend the money we all spend on these systems then you better stand up for the product otherwise you wasting your coin.

    One last thing is i watch continuously on Wake World people ask about stereo gear and its always WS WS WS that's talked about. Theres more out there then WS. Just like there's more then a Ford out there to tow a boat. I am just trying to get people to know there's more out there, frankly if people did more research on gear then just asked a forum then none of these forum battles would take place.

    In closing Tim i do like your new WS grills those are nice and im glad to see a new grill as i never liked the older ones.

    Tim i think your product is great, its awesome even but i want people to chose you because they listened to both and feel you are the best. Not because they think your the only high end HLCD. Last thing i want to do is regret something i bought as well as hear someone say, dam i should have got Exile, or dam i should have got WS.

    All of my posts that involve your WS gear i try to make sure i post fact, not opinion and make it a fair rating between both products.

    Send me some info on your WS gear, help me get educated in your products and i will say great things on it also. What i wont do is listen to a Retailer who has a contract with a company talk because all hes doing is full filling his contract to sale the gear. I hate salesmen at car dealers the same as i hate a stereo retailer.

    Meeting a company owner and seeing his passion for a product, being able to call him first hand, and being able to learn his gear says a lot about a partnership i want to be in. I don't like just being some guy with this or that brand gear, i want to feel like i am part of that company because my business is making them successful.

    Thats what so special about the boating world, you can really be a part of it in a way you cant be at a car dealer or a retail store. Theres a reason people by all there boats at the same dealer, why most boat dealers know all there customers by first name. Boating isn't like a car you have to have, boating is a gift and a pleasure you cherish.
    Last edited by mmandley; 04-27-2010 at 09:36 PM.
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    2013 Mojo 2.5 Skylon Tower. Bestia < Beast >
    Exile ZLD
    6 SX65M Cabins
    6 XM9 Towers
    1 XI Big 15 Woofer in a custom Fiberglass box
    1 XI 1K Harpoon
    2 XI 800.4
    1 XI 2500.1
    2 Interstate 2400U 6V Golf Cart Batterties
    Custom 1 Off Evolution Cover

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