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  1. #11
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Brantford View Post
    Special question for Brando86: in your response, you first said "The flatter your board is as you ride up the wake, the better the pop", but then your second paragraph drove home the point about being on edge. So, flat or on edge on the wake? Please elaborate if possible.
    I suppose this could get particularly confusing, but think of it as though you're cutting but your legs are bent and you are charging the wake at that 45 degree angle. Now...with those things being considered, you're likely standing on a 60/40 split with more weight being placed on your back leg. The best way to describe the standing tall motion is to still lean against the line in order to keep the tension, but you're wanting to straighten your legs on the edge(or think of a trampoline...you'd push down to get higher). While you're cutting towards the wake you're displacing a ton of water that will balance out your body at the 45 degree cut while your legs are straight. Now "Straight" does not actually mean that your legs MUST be straight....they actually just need to be firm. Your legs can be bent at a 90 degree angle once you approach the wake as long as they are FIRM, not soft/mushy.

    Honestly, before you work on getting "pop" off the wake, you need to work on your edge towards the wake. Forget the "stand tall" at the wake for a few trips out and focus solely on maintaining your edge and hitting the wake with stiff legs. One thing I cant really give advice on is how to hit while on edge because it will totally screw you up over and over in the beginning. Progressively cut towards the wake, and remember one thing...you should never be cutting harder towards the wake than when you're at the base of the wake. Cut out, let the boat initiate your cut and progressively cut harder and harder and harder until you're in the air...otherwise you will not retain balance in the air. I'm going to assume that you're a pretty smart guy because you're entirely over analyzing your technique. It took me 3 years to get across the wake and this is what finally got me there...it just takes a lot of trial and error. Once you understand the idea of the hardest edge coming at the last possible second while keeping your legs stiff, you'll be able to progress quickly since stability also comes with the cut.

    Do a few drills where you're hitting the wake on a good edge, but go ahead and absorb the wake to get a feel for it. Once you're comfortable with how fast you're cruising towards the wake (which will always feel crazy fast at first), hit the wake with stiffness. Imagine dropping from a roof onto a trampoline - you're going to naturally try to absorb that bounce with your knees so you dont end up back on the roof. If you hit that trampline with stiff legs you'll get booted...this is what you want
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    Ian,

    Have you seen the video below on wakeworld? I found it to be very helpful.

    http://www.wakeworld.com/news/featur...ariations.html

    Al
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    If you edge in and pop right you don't have to be going crazy fast. Basically sit in a chair thats leaned back at 45 degrees as you edge in. once you are at the wake, stand up out of the chair but retain your 45 degree orientation to the water
    David

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    Quote Originally Posted by rdlangston13 View Post
    If you edge in and pop right you don't have to be going crazy fast. Basically sit in a chair thats leaned back at 45 degrees as you edge in. once you are at the wake, stand up out of the chair but retain your 45 degree orientation to the water
    I wrote like 5 pages of information, and you wrote 3 sentences and summed it up better than me.
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    ...and remember.....commit to it, don't back off last second.

    If the thought of crashing is intimidating maybe stick to wakesurfing or come to the conclusion that maybe wake to wake is not for you right now. I admit I am getting of that age where crashing hard doesn't seem as appealing as it used to so I tend to take it easy.

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    Brando, I like the trampoline analogy .

    Rd the chair also visualizes it .

    Thanks...
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    this thread is great.. I can soooo fit in with brian and ian. rode a wakeboard enough to get good at getting up, going across the wakes and switch riding, but jumping has been weak at best. I think at the end of the day, my fear is the faceplant. as mentioned, I've fallen a couple of times and had it hurt.

    fortunately I don't ride with anyone that is any better at boarding so the couple times a year I get up and ride, they are impressed at the fact that I get up on my first try

    thank god for wakesurfing. at least I can be good at something....

    I keep telling myself next year is the year I'll go w2w. so 2013 it is
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    You guys are really helping now. Can you get a little more specific about the "when"? You said, "when you are at the wake". Does this mean when the front of your board reaches the wake or when you have started up it or is anytime about then OK?
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    Right when you reach the trough or "the bottom of the ramp" your legs should be locked hard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stazi View Post
    Right when you reach the trough or "the bottom of the ramp" your legs should be locked hard.
    I agree with this. It takes just long enough to process the thought that I start the standing tall motion/locking legs when the front of the board is at the base of the wake. By the time I think it through i've already hit the wake and am airborne. On another note, I finally balled up and charged the wake hard enough to land about 5 feet into the flats this past weekend. That is fun, but not as easy on the knees
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