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    Quote Originally Posted by bergermaister View Post
    You know this is the...
    "can of worms"
    "pandoras box"
    etc etc...


    ...1" hose can be used on the funky T-1200's 1-1/8" fittings with a little persuasion and heat. But like NSCU is saying if you have manifolds and valves to deal with you may just want to gut them all and start from scratch like you are thinking with 6 pumps. My old setup had a single Rule 1100 pump with the line T'd to fill both rears, and each rear had it's own drain pump, all wired to the same switch. I didn't have any valves or manifolds - nor front ballast. My new setup has 6 pumps, 3 switches...

    You guys are killing me!

    I started by asking about a simple switch move after reading about the OTRATTW custom switches and now I just sent WakeMakers an email asking about getting a whole new system of pumps, lines and bags!!

    I feel like I didn't just buy a boat, I joined some kind of cult!!!!

    Eric (blurry eyed and credit card out).

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    Quote Originally Posted by EricU View Post
    I feel like I didn't just buy a boat, I joined some kind of cult!!!!
    That's good stuff!
    -Jake

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    Drink the koolaid.

    It's fortified with ballast, stereo, leds, and props.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bergermaister View Post
    Drink the koolaid.

    It's fortified with ballast, stereo, leds, and props.
    Just say NO to LEDs!! There has to be a limit!!

    Though I was reading about props this morning......ZZZZZIPPPPP

    Eric.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EricU View Post
    I feel like I didn't just buy a boat, I joined some kind of cult!!!!
    .
    you did. ZZZZZZZZip
    Hey, Its Moomba time

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    Ok, so now....

    If I gut my pumps and bags and go with all new stuff and ignoring the price difference....

    • Reversibles?
    • or
    • Aerators



    What I don't like reading about the reversibles is;
    1. They dump out of the fill thru-hull - Seems like they will be left on a lot
    2. The impellers burn out easier?
    3. They are slower?


    And how do I figure out what bags will fit?

    Eric.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EricU View Post
    Ok, so now....

    If I gut my pumps and bags and go with all new stuff and ignoring the price difference....
    • Reversibles?
    • or
    • Aerators


    What I don't like reading about the reversibles is;
    1. They dump out of the fill thru-hull - Seems like they will be left on a lot
    2. The impellers burn out easier?
    3. They are slower?

    And how do I figure out what bags will fit?

    Eric.

    answers

    1) couple one way valves and a couple tee fittings and they can be plumbed to drain out the side's, wakemakers can give some more details on that, put my understanding was it was pretty simple

    2) no idea, have not had mine long enough yet, impellers will be a maintence item and need replaced at some point

    3) they seem to fill/empty about 100lb per minute


    Bag size-- measure the compartment width, height and length and find a bag that close to that size
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    1) I like that idea. Help to keep from burning them up accidentally for sure.

    2) I'm sure aerators die eventually too, just haven't experienced it yet.

    3) Real world fill time for my T-1200 is about 7.5min for a 1100 surf bag so roughly 145lb per min?

    Other thing that swayed me toward aerators over reversibles is power draw. I can run the pumps to drain three bags at once, plus use a 4th handheld pump to drain bags on seats/floor, all while sitting there with no engine running.

    Daze- I'm guessing you can run reversibles at the same time too but due to more power draw do you have to have the engine running or have any worries around that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by EricU View Post
    Ok, so now....

    If I gut my pumps and bags and go with all new stuff and ignoring the price difference....

    • Reversibles?
    • or
    • Aerators



    What I don't like reading about the reversibles is;
    1. They dump out of the fill thru-hull - Seems like they will be left on a lot
    2. The impellers burn out easier?
    3. They are slower?


    And how do I figure out what bags will fit?

    Eric.
    1. Even when you drain through the pick up under the boat, the pump has a distictive gargling sound as it becomes empty
    2. You only burn the impeller up if you let the pump run a long time dry. You can buy replacement impellers and get the Green kind and have no reall worries.
    3. I found on my setup they were very fast with 1inch lines.

    I will admit i am more paranoid with the Reversables and pay a lot more attention when draining.
    Areators IDK i just hit drain and shut them off when ever i get around to it

    As for Power use, Yes the Reversables use about 8xs the power an Areator will use. I had 2 in my boat and never really worried about running the engine while they filled or drained, but i also run 3 batteries.

    I know a lot of the newer boats with Reversables actually make you run the boat or the pump wont turn on and off.
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    Ok, so after spending way too much time trying to figure out what to get so I can update my switches....

    Anyway,

    1. Two New Reversible Ballast Pumps for the rear bags
    2. Use the existing Rule plumbed to only the front center locker bag
    3. Change out the front center locker bag dump pump to a new 1100 or 1200 Aerator pump
    4. Five new switches - Three for the bags, one for the amps, one future (possibly a cross-over pump for the rears)
    5. Two new 750 sacs for the rear
    6. Possibly a new bag for the ski locker - all in at this point!



    Bryan from WakeMasters sent a link to the WakeMAKERS.com Complete 640GPH Impeller Pump Ballast Kit (Jabsco Ballast Puppy) instead of the WakeMAKERS.com Complete 780GPH Impeller Pump Ballast Kit (Johnson Ultra Ballast)

    • Is one pump better than the other?



    Eric.

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