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  1. #1
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    Default Phase Separation in E10 fuel

    Want to learn more than you might really want to know about ethanol fuel and the dreaded phase separation? Check out this study:

    http://www.cim-tek.com/pdfs/Treatise...Separation.pdf

    I know this is probably way late for the Northern guys, but remember this for next year! Do whatever it takes to find E0 (non-ethanol blended gas) for storing your boat over the winter months. In brief, the study shows that E10 (10% ethanol fuel mix - which has become the US standard) has an increased chance of phase separation as the temperature decreases. The blue stabil will help, but you're much better off with the E0.

    If you can only find E15 or E85 at the gas pump, regardless of the time of year, skip the trip to the lake! This stuff will kill your engine.

    It's important to avoid having your fuel separate for another reason: your wallet! If you have to have a tank of bad gas drained (i.e. the fuel separated) most dealers will have to charge you a hazard waste disposal fee that could run $8-$10/gal. Do the math on a 40-50 gal tank and you're talking some significant money.

    In addition to using the stabil to help fight off the effects of E10, you should also change out your fuel filters often. This is especially important on low use boats. Sounds counter-intuative, but the E10 trapped in there can separate more easily and turn into the brown goo that clogsup your system.
    Drew
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    Default Thank you

    Thanks for the good info. So there is a diff between the red and blue stable?

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    I'm not really sure if there is a difference as I've never compared the contents of them side-by-side. I was in a class with dozens of marine machanics and they all referred to "blue stabil" so that's what I'm going with.
    Drew
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    Yes, the "Sta-Bil Marine Formula" is geared more toward those that are forced to use ethanol blended fuels over the red Sta-Bil.

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    If you have E10 sitting in your tank for a month without treating it then you need to dump it and I would dump it even treated. I don't winterize with E10 and I don't use E10 in small engines. Too many people with fuel issues with boats and motorcycles that I don't risk it. I go with an near empty tank during the winter and dump that and any any moisture into a gas can and start fresh in the summer.
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    I curious to know if anyone has actually had an engine issue that was directly attributed to E10 gas. Not, "I think it was E10", but a proven case of it.

    I have yet to have any type of failure from lawn equipment (or anything else) which set around for months without use. Perhaps it will happen, but it hasn't yet.


    If anyone else took time to read through the article, it was directly related to storage tanks for gas, with no ability to have movement.
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    Dirt bikes. Seen it happen to a couple of people and sometimes Seafoam can clean it out otherwise a carb rebuild is in order. Call bike shops in an area where bikes are laid up for a while and they can give you some more stories.
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    In the class I sat in on, many of the mechanics commented on the increase in fuel related issues as E10 has become the standard. While I don't believe anyone stated a catastrophic engine failure related to E10, I believe it's more of an issue of clogging/gumming/mucking stuff up like carbs, injectors, filters fuel lines/tanks that then prevents the motor from being operational.

    I let my 4wheeler sit a few months this summer and had made an error in putting untreated E10 in the tank. It has a manual fuel gauge that has a float that rides on rails attached to the cap. When it wouldn't start over Thanksgiving, I pulled the cap and found those rails rusty and the carb is gummed up so much it needs pulled and cleaned/rebuilt.


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    Drew
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    Ethanol is more corrosive than gasoline which is why you should not run E85 unless your manual states that it is ok. The ethanol will eat away at rubber components in your fuel system and I suppose it is the residue left behind from gooey corroded rubber that clog things up. E85 vehicles are made with seals designed to resist this aspect of E85.


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    David

    2008 Mobius LSV, Gravity III , Wake Plate, Z5, Exile SX65c's, Exile XM7, Exile SXT65Q, Exile XI12D, Exile Harpoon, Exile SM600.1 , Exile Xi800.4.

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    I have used Startron for several seasons to preserve ethanol fuel over the winter months. It works as advertised. It stabilizes fuel for up to two years and helps prevent phase separation. I also use Sta-bil regularly during the boating season. The combination of the two seem to keep ethanol fuel in good shape and keeps my engines and fuel system clean and running smooth.

    http://mystarbrite.com/startron/
    Jerry
    "Moomba Wanna Be'er"
    Current boat - 2006 Yamaha SX210 w/New Dimension Tower & Cobra Jet Steering
    TX Lakes - Somerville, Conroe, Fayette, Travis, Austin

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