benson, your right in that the bottom does not deserve from the top, but we have built it that way with too many tax loopholes and a code that no one really understands. as much as I hate to see KG out a job, it needs to be fixed to be simple. we would feel the effects of layoffs/unemployment for a few years but it would eventually even itself out.
granted this was a few years ago.. guy that worked for me. single breadwinner, 4kids and wife. makes somewhere around 40-43k. at the end of the year, we totalled up his irs federal contributions to the tax pool and it came to $740. he received a refund that year of almost 8grand. progressive flat tax will eliminate some of that pool of $$ being handed out to lower income. no tax deduction, some will think twice about having them. I don't have to tell you that refund didn't go to supporting a family, insurance or the such. new computer, new tv, etc... and I do not believe for a second that this is an isolated incident.
my ex manages an optical shop. I can't tell you how many stories of single moms coming in on medicaid to get glasses for kids or self. they don't like the assortment as it's not really "fashionable" so boyfriend that is with mom whips out cash to pay for trendy products. they have same address, but don't get married as then mom loses benefits..
the whole system is screwed..
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11-16-2013, 07:44 AM #61'06 Supra Launch 20SSV-gone but never forgotten
11-16-2013, 09:17 AM #62
I certainly don't have the answers. The balance point between the humanitarian desire to not have people living in poverty vs. the desire to improve ones own condition and or meet your list of wants vs. the "Why do you deserve MY money?" is a difficult juggling act. We are not going to solve it on a waterski forum.
It would be interesting however, if instead of getting money from the government - when peolpe get a check it actually identifies a person - like "You just took $5000 out of the pocket from Joe Blow in Des Moines. He has 3 kids, one in college, and a mortgage and has been working his a$$ off for the last 25 years to improve life for his family. But you get his money. You should thank him."
Maybe if we made everyone in the world responsible for one other person - thats all - and it is not the person that is respsonsible for them. Then everyone would be taken care of.
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11-16-2013, 02:12 PM #63
Why do I think this? Even with our differences, I am convinced the talent, insight, knowledge, and humility exhibited here by forum members could devise a system of health care that improves the lot of all, without destroying the insurance and healthcare industries, interfering in the doctor/patient relationship, centralizing control, or placing an unwanted financial burden on someone else, today or a future generation. Solutions to big challenges such as this can and need to come from us – you and me, regular Joes. I promise you they cannot come from inside the Beltway. Arrogance, pride, ignorance, immaturity, plain old stupidity, and a deeply disturbed legislative body presumably representing the interests of 330 million citizens defy the capacity for logic and reason. I know. I work there.
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11-16-2013, 04:34 PM #64
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11-16-2013, 05:21 PM #65
11-16-2013, 09:18 PM #66
Minimum wage was never intended to be a living wage.
11-16-2013, 10:13 PM #67
11-17-2013, 12:05 AM #68
There is no fault - it is natural selection. Bottom line - not everyone can be a millionaire without taking all the money from the millionaires - but then there probably won't be any millionaires any more.
What do you suppose would happen if the 7.50 / hr folks started getting 50 /hr? The 50 / hr guys would start getting 400 / hr. your $3 burger goes to $10. Inflation. In a capitalisitic society you will always have income stratification. That is the built in incentive. Without that things get pretty dismal. A lot of life is unfair - just the way it is. I know what is like to be poor. In 1977 I was about a month away from being homeless. I was lucky and found work and pulled myself up through poverty to comfortable to slightly more than comfortable. No one helped me. I just lived within my means.
11-17-2013, 08:37 AM #69
The Affordable Boat Act
We're on the same page. I'm glad to hear of your recovery from a challenging situation.
It's unfortunate, but a brutal truth that there are plenty of dedicated, motivated and hard working people out there that will struggle to surpass $30k a year and belittling those folks is wrong, IMO.Drew
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11-17-2013, 10:01 AM #70