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    Default WakeSurf Without the Rope

    We have a 06 mobius lsv. When I wake surf I can only wake surf without the rope for 10 seconds or so before I go off the back end. What seems to work the best so far is filling the back ballast tank of the side I am attempting to surf and putting everyone in the boat on that side. We also put the wake plate up. I still can only wake surf for about 10 seconds without rope. Does anyone have any suggestions. Here is a video of it. Ignore the family in the audio yelling lol

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TLW...ature=youtu.be

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    Your gonna hate this suggestion....

    quit dropping the rope.

    Hang onto the rope while you learn how to ride the wave for a few weeks.

    if you have slack in the rope....you ARE surfing.

    Edit: after watching the video, it seems to me that most of your weight is on the rear foot. Your putting the brakes on and you will fall behind the wave.

    Are you sure you are a goofy footer?
    Last edited by slipperyrockTKE300; 07-11-2014 at 10:19 AM.
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    The problem I was having was when I shift to my weight up to the front I shoot up on the wake and surf onto the platform . Then I lean back some and shoot off the back end. I am trying to find that sweet spot. Idk if I need to ride further back on the wake, adjust speed on boat, or weight on boat, or just spend more time finding the sweet spot.

    And I wakeboard goofy, but Im equally as bad goofy vs regular on a wakesurf ha.

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    I would suggest taking more time to find the sweet spot by practicing your stance, learning even weight distribution on the board & learning when to put on the brake and when to speed up.

    Dropping the rope while you learn is hindering your progress.

    yes, I know it isn't cool to be filmed while holding the rope, etc etc.

    but as they say.... you have to learn to crawl before you can run the Boston Marathon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mdean22 View Post
    We have a 06 mobius lsv. When I wake surf I can only wake surf without the rope for 10 seconds or so before I go off the back end. What seems to work the best so far is filling the back ballast tank of the side I am attempting to surf and putting everyone in the boat on that side. We also put the wake plate up. I still can only wake surf for about 10 seconds without rope. Does anyone have any suggestions. Here is a video of it. Ignore the family in the audio yelling lol

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TLW...ature=youtu.be
    Just from seeing what you filmed, couple tips I would give if you where behind my boat.

    First look where you want to go. You staring at the back of the boat, the water, the platform only makes you target that spot. Try and get used to looking into the boat, preferably at the Observer Seat for your sirf side. <Regular would look at the driver>

    This helps keep your shoulders in line and board in line with the rear corner of the boat.

    Second is physics.

    You can not honestly expect to stand still on a board, with moving water under it and surf.

    The thing with surfing is its ever-changing. Just like each time you go out in the boat and set your wave, it will always be a little different, unless you have the same people, same weather, same water depth, same fuel level something is always changing.

    This in fact requires you to constantly change your forward-backward momentum on your board.

    When I teach people how to surf, Surf 101
    1st Learn to balance on the board to get ready to be pulled.
    2nd Learn to get up
    3rd Learn to Stand up and pull yourself into the wave
    4th Learn to Balance in the wave without falling off.

    Now your ready for Surf 102
    This is the phase your at in your video.

    You are balanced now
    You have a good stance

    Now its time to work that wave.

    While holding the rope practice speeding up, and slowing down in the wave, then practice carving up and down in the wave so your working the entire wave.

    Once you can do all this and keep slack in your rope then you are getting ready to toss it in.

    When you toss the rope, just drop it to your feet. Don't throw it, this tends to set people off balance and they fall. Plus your mind is concentrating on throwing a rope and not hitting anyone.

    Next is typically when you hold the rope your lead arm is extended towards the boat, this automatically balances you slightly forward, and unknowingly you compensate by leaning on your back-foot. This is ok until you drop the rope and now you are off balance again.

    To fix this remember to keep that lead arm out forward towards the boat.

    When you start to fall out of the wave or fall back two things really help, one is bend your knees and point your lead arm to the boat and this will weight the board forward.

    You mentioned shooting forward to the platform and then leaning back and falling off the wave, this is because your movements are too drastic. Its a very fine line leaning forward and back.

    Just like your boat is constantly adjusting speed when surfing you too will be constantly leaning forward then back then forward and then back again. If your standing completely still on your board and surfing in the wave, it will only last until the boat makes a speed adjustment and the water flow reflects this and bucks you out.

    Keep practicing and Surf it up man. Your doing good already.
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    On my boat, tossing the rope into the boat has become a game of horse shoes.

    Getting the handle on the swim deck pylon is a ringer!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mmandley View Post
    Just from seeing what you filmed, couple tips I would give if you where behind my boat.

    First look where you want to go. You staring at the back of the boat, the water, the platform only makes you target that spot. Try and get used to looking into the boat, preferably at the Observer Seat for your sirf side. <Regular would look at the driver>

    This helps keep your shoulders in line and board in line with the rear corner of the boat.

    Second is physics.

    You can not honestly expect to stand still on a board, with moving water under it and surf.

    The thing with surfing is its ever-changing. Just like each time you go out in the boat and set your wave, it will always be a little different, unless you have the same people, same weather, same water depth, same fuel level something is always changing.

    This in fact requires you to constantly change your forward-backward momentum on your board.

    When I teach people how to surf, Surf 101
    1st Learn to balance on the board to get ready to be pulled.
    2nd Learn to get up
    3rd Learn to Stand up and pull yourself into the wave
    4th Learn to Balance in the wave without falling off.

    Now your ready for Surf 102
    This is the phase your at in your video.

    You are balanced now
    You have a good stance

    Now its time to work that wave.

    While holding the rope practice speeding up, and slowing down in the wave, then practice carving up and down in the wave so your working the entire wave.

    Once you can do all this and keep slack in your rope then you are getting ready to toss it in.

    When you toss the rope, just drop it to your feet. Don't throw it, this tends to set people off balance and they fall. Plus your mind is concentrating on throwing a rope and not hitting anyone.

    Next is typically when you hold the rope your lead arm is extended towards the boat, this automatically balances you slightly forward, and unknowingly you compensate by leaning on your back-foot. This is ok until you drop the rope and now you are off balance again.

    To fix this remember to keep that lead arm out forward towards the boat.

    When you start to fall out of the wave or fall back two things really help, one is bend your knees and point your lead arm to the boat and this will weight the board forward.

    You mentioned shooting forward to the platform and then leaning back and falling off the wave, this is because your movements are too drastic. Its a very fine line leaning forward and back.

    Just like your boat is constantly adjusting speed when surfing you too will be constantly leaning forward then back then forward and then back again. If your standing completely still on your board and surfing in the wave, it will only last until the boat makes a speed adjustment and the water flow reflects this and bucks you out.

    Keep practicing and Surf it up man. Your doing good already.
    Spot on .. Good advice right here.. Movements are to drastic.
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    I got a lot better at wakesurfing when my 15 y/o daughter was driving for me. I didn't want to make her keep turning around in the narrow river with a battleship to drive. I would hold the rope till I was tired then toss it and ride till I lost it or tried a 360 and bit it. You get a lot more surfing time in this way (so does everybody else especially if they do it too).
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    All great advice. Another thought, How big are you? How big is the board?

    You = Big, then Board = Longer (easier to learn)
    Old enough to know better, young enough to do it anyway.

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